Ex-SS Addict, New to DLV

[Furiøùs]

Hey all, I was previously a Stainless Steel addict, i spent hours upon hours upon hours playing that game and had a very very good time.

I'm currently downloading DLV and all the patches. My questions are

What should i expect?

How is the gameplay different from SS

Is DLV more polished?

Will I enjoy DLV more than SS?

Is DLV a totally different animal from SS?

These are my questions. Thanks all

[Dauntless Commandant]

Hi Furious - welcome to this sub-forum - I also used play SS for many months

(Earlier post I made, you'll know the SS part already of course so might as well skip that part)

- Stainless Steel, is a great mod - with many factions that differ to DLV, however the amount of mini-mods that there are and complications with installing will leave you finding you need to re-install god knows how many times. The battles in Stainless Steel have more depth because there are more variety of units, and more custom battle map locations to choose from. It also has a large modding community with itself with it's followers trying to make the game better.

Campaign-wise, Stainless Steel also focuses more on the the middle east and west Asia. The Americas have been removed from the game so no crossing the Atlantic to find angry aztecs . However because of this, there are new factions such as the Order of the Knights Templar (fantasy), and the Cumans etc. The maps stretches across to far west Persia.

- Deus Lo Vult, the ultimate Role-playing mod for M2:TW, the campaign has far more depth than any other mod that exists, as well as User friendly tutorials when first starting up for new DLV players. It is extremley hard and will leave you feeling battered and bruised but you will be happy . There are so many Role-playing elements it's impossible to name them all, but from finding legendary swords, to crowning - promoting your generals through the ranks to locking them in dungeon - DLV will test your metal. Keeping the Americas (but actually accurate this time) and of course and without restrictions you can cross them early in the game as any of the factions, and develop an economic Powerhouse - providing you can actually destroy the Aztec tribes. If you do decide to download DLV, it's best to choose the Historical campaign

I'd download the Open Beta's if I were you since they are by far the best to date.

The choice is down to you at the end of the day,

Now @ your questions:

What should I expect? - Well probably one of the best and ful filling campaigns you've ever played on M2:TW - you'll know you have earned victories since it is so damned hard

How is the gameplay different from SS? - As mentioned before, DLV focuses more on the Campaign Side of the game, with hundreds more Role playing features. It's battle side is also awesome, - the detail is incredible, and uses Lusted's and Darth's Ai's I believe (need confirmation on this?)

Is DLV more polished? - DLV in my opinion - is not as 'polished', since there are some mistakes in grammar due to the team not being all Native English - however it's User Guides in game are far more advanced and helpful than in Stainless Steel. You'll feel like you are part of the campaign yourself!

Oh... and our Faction Symbols are 10000% more beautiful! =

Will I enjoy DLV more than SS? - Based on your preference, if you prefer tough hard games that are nigh impossible to beat and will test your M2:TW skills to the ultimate, then yes!

Is DLV a totally different animal from SS? - There are many differences between the two as said in the quote. Different factions, maps and the way the campaign plays out is the most noticable difference.

Hope you download and enjoy! - If you do, join our Cult! (points at signature)

[Tokus*Maximus]

Oh... and our Faction Symbols are 10000% more beautiful! =

Sigh! Thanks DC, makes me feel all gooood inside.

@Furiøùs - DLV - don't be shy - give it a try! Deus lo Vult will leave you buckled and bent (but still with a smile on your face). You may break your keyboard in frustration thou'...!!

[Dauntless Commandant]

Sigh! Thanks DC, makes me feel all gooood inside.

@Furiøùs - DLV - don't be shy - give it a try! Deus lo Vult will leave you buckled and bent (but still with a smile on your face). You may break your keyboard in frustration thou'...!!

Why you sigh Tokus? It is true that they are! - Especially in the campaign where they have like a Royal Banner with them

[Infinity at End]

@Furiøùs ...as Tokus*Maximus said ....You may break your keyboard in frustration thou'...!! he is rightbecause DLV is way harder than SS ...

Trust me I have plaied SS for about one year...and when I tried DLV a few weeks ago...I deleted SS from my pc ...
DLV has many things that SS don't have and a lot of stuffs that I like ....

I have many frieds that play(ed) SS and I offer them a chance to play DLV and more than half of them said is way too hard and they go back to SS....but some of them realy enjoy DLV more than SS and now they almost "kill" the fourth keyboard since they start to play DLV

and I tell you like Tokus said.....give it a try ...you won't loose anything ...exept your life if you get addicted to DLV like me or others

[Wartower]

I have played SS, BC, and DLV predominantly. All are very well done and offer unique gameplay experiences.

Stainless Steel is as polished as it's name implies. It is a graphical masterpiece in my opinion.

Broken Crescent is like playing an entirely new game. It is very well done and I can't wait until those guys put it out for Kingdoms.

Deus Lo Vult is indeed an entirely different animal. Right off the bat, you'll be hard pressed to make decisions that will greatly impact your economic situation. Well, if you turn off all of the scripts then you won't, but then again, you really wouldn't be playing DLV if you did that. The first thing that you'll notice is that there are permanent forts everywhere. These are filled with rebels but will offer you 4 free upkeep slots when you make them yours. Another thing you will notice is the field cost and settlement cost scripts. This is a drastic departure from SS as having your diplomats, princesses, spies, priests, and assassins in foreign lands costs you florins each turn. Also, conducting a seige can suck the life out of your treasury very rapidly if you are not prepared.

I won't spoil the rest for you as I imagine you have already installed the game, it's patches, etc., and are already trying to figure things out. There are several good threads in these forums that will help you. Read them all and you won't regret it.

Lastly, I think it's important to let you know about merchants in DLV. They are not like merchants in SS or any other mod that I've played. They are actually VERY important, and taking over another merchant's assets is not an easy task to accomplish. Thankfully for the player, it's not real easy for foreign merchants to wipe yours out. Just explore the map with your diplomats/princesses and then click on your merchant to hover around the ample resources out there. Understand that there are resource spots that will give you a very high amount of florin per turn. Often times they are located quite far from your starting territories, so a bit of exploration is in order.

Well, have fun! DLV is a fantastic mod and should make you both happy and mad at the same time. But rarely ever sad!!

Wartower <----only freed from M2TW boredom with Harry Lime uploads his Europa Mod

[Dauntless Commandant]

I have played SS, BC, and DLV predominantly. All are very well done and offer unique gameplay experiences.

Stainless Steel is as polished as it's name implies. It is a graphical masterpiece in my opinion.

Broken Crescent is like playing an entirely new game. It is very well done and I can't wait until those guys put it out for Kingdoms.

Deus Lo Vult is indeed an entirely different animal. Right off the bat, you'll be hard pressed to make decisions that will greatly impact your economic situation. Well, if you turn off all of the scripts then you won't, but then again, you really wouldn't be playing DLV if you did that. The first thing that you'll notice is that there are permanent forts everywhere. These are filled with rebels but will offer you 4 free upkeep slots when you make them yours. Another thing you will notice is the field cost and settlement cost scripts. This is a drastic departure from SS as having your diplomats, princesses, spies, priests, and assassins in foreign lands costs you florins each turn. Also, conducting a seige can suck the life out of your treasury very rapidly if you are not prepared.

I won't spoil the rest for you as I imagine you have already installed the game, it's patches, etc., and are already trying to figure things out. There are several good threads in these forums that will help you. Read them all and you won't regret it.

Lastly, I think it's important to let you know about merchants in DLV. They are not like merchants in SS or any other mod that I've played. They are actually VERY important, and taking over another merchant's assets is not an easy task to accomplish. Thankfully for the player, it's not real easy for foreign merchants to wipe yours out. Just explore the map with your diplomats/princesses and then click on your merchant to hover around the ample resources out there. Understand that there are resource spots that will give you a very high amount of florin per turn. Often times they are located quite far from your starting territories, so a bit of exploration is in order.

Well, have fun! DLV is a fantastic mod and should make you both happy and mad at the same time. But rarely ever sad!!

Wartower <----only freed from M2TW boredom with Harry Lime uploads his Europa Mod

Good post +rep

[Taiji]

I think he is sighing pleasurably

[Dauntless Commandant]

I think he is sighing pleasurably

Lmao!

why do you burn my mind so?

[Furiøùs]

I got so frustrated with it, I uninstalled it LOL

Was a bad night for me though, so im going to give it another shot at a later time.
It was very different though, and it was a bit overwhelming was the problem (I get overwhelmed easily.. Slow learner you can say XD)

[Aneximanes]

hehe, dont give up! Once you get the hang of things, you'll love it

[Dauntless Commandant]

Don't give up - stay away from the shiny steel side!

To avoid the overwhelmingness, start a campaign but don't enable,

> Field costs,
> Garrisson Script,
> Settlement costs,
> Total War

This should make it more fun since the scripts just make the game 2034282 times harder

Besides, you've already paid your cult deposit... you don't want to lose it do you??

[Nicholas H.C]

As I recall, DLV has a major battle bug that leaves troops frozen and unable to move (happened to me during a siege). SS has this, but happens far less. I too want to retry this mod, but whats the point If it's so hard?

[Dauntless Commandant]

As I recall, DLV has a major battle bug that leaves troops frozen and unable to move (happened to me during a siege). SS has this, but happens far less. I too want to try this mod, but whats the point If it's so hard?

I've never seen this bug, and I never saw it in Stainless Steel either ;

What's not the point? Taking over the entire continent is easy even in Stainless Steel,

but because of this you are forced to keep starting up new campaigns when you get bored of conquering, which I have never done in DLV - because they are too fun and you don't lose intrest.

[Nicholas H.C]

Hmm, I don't know......and it's not easy to conquer a continent in SS

[Infinity at End]

Hmm, I don't know......and it's not easy to conquer a continent in SS

Yes it's easy .... trust me...if you want to compare SS with DLV...here is my opinion :
SS = Tetris(only with squares) and DLV = Tetris(only with cross and Z type pieces )

[Nicholas H.C]

I guess I will give it a try......

[Wartower]

I personally don't think either are too terribly difficult, but DLV is much harder. Here's why both are fun to play.

With SS, especially in the Late game, you can get started on some serious a$$-kickin' right from the start. This is great for those who love the fact that this game is called, "Total War". In reality, it should be called, "Total Micromanagement", but that's neither here nor there. With Stainless Steel, it's ok to spend a lot of time on foreign soil. You don't even think twice about having each and every one of your characters away from your controlled provinces. Hello Field Cost script!

In DLV, if you grab your sword and shield and decide to conquer the world from turn one, you will be in for a very rude awakening. I think this DLV design aspect is to simulate taking care of matters on your home turf first. The rebels need to be vanquished and their forts captured to end the devastation they are causing your subjects and economy.

Anyway, like others have said, don't give up! I mean, you conquered vanilla and obviously conquered Stainless Steel. Why stop now when you are just getting your momentum going!

[Kjertesvein]

FuriøùsI got so frustrated with it, I uninstalled it LOL

Was a bad night for me though, so im going to give it another shot at a later time.
It was very different though, and it was a bit overwhelming was the problem (I get overwhelmed easily.. Slow learner you can say XD)

Grandmaster NicholasI guess I will give it a try......

1. As Dauntless Commandant said:
> Field costs V [X]
> Garrisson Script V [X]
> Settlement costs V [X]
> Total War / [Civic_DLV]

2. Look at my sig. there you will find
-The handbook, it is like a dictionary.
-The Strategy guide is detail guide in a common-man-language. also under development.