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    Default What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    One thing that I read, while looking at some old articles from the escalation of conflict during the South Ossetia War (or whatever they call it now) between Russia and the South Ossetian militia against the Georgian armed forces, was this in an article by the New York Times called "A Superpower is Reborn":

    This is not just because, as some foreign-policy “realists” have argued, Moscow has enough troops and oil to force us to take into consideration its supposedly irrational fears. Rather, the conflict in Georgia showed how rational Russia’s concerns over American meddling in its traditional sphere of influence are, and that Washington had better start treating it like the great power it still is.

    Concerning the last few sentences. Honestly, I do not see why people keep saying that the South Ossetian conflict was one where Russia finally flexed their muscles to the world and regained their superpower status that the former Soviet Union had in their rivalry with the United States. We see countries like Georgia and Ukraine who are further pushing themselves out of Russian influence and are trying to land a bid in NATO, and depending on a variety of responses, we could very well see them joining NATO or even just developing more friendly relations with countries to the West. No, this isn't a 'conspiracy' of the West attempting to dislodge Russia from their current position, unless you're into that kind of thing. Countries like Georgia, Ukraine, Poland and Estonia attempt for NATO within their own accord, and are not pressured by the West as joining NATO means a country has to initiate costly reforms in their state. Basically, in my opinion, the effort Georgia has put into joining NATO - literally fighting - is enough to warrant that Russia's perceived grip over neighboring countries is faltering. Look at it, Georgia fights, Ukraine thinks about blocking Russian ships deployed in the Black Sea from returning to their port in Sevastopol (if I recall correctly) and the heightened warning to Russia by certain Baltic states and Eastern European states really develops this theory of faltering Russian influence. Some might say that the Russian victory over Georgia was one to protect their interests - here, they are in the right. Russia did protect their interests; however many see this in the light that the West just took a huge strategic blow. To me, after examining the above, Georgia going to war, Baltic and Eastern European countries somewhat resisting, and also the Polish pact with the U.S., the South Ossetian conflict shows a side of weakness of the Russian government. South Ossetia represents a scenario where the Russian administration did not get what it wants, so it stamped its foot like a frustrated child. Just because Russia managed to devour the minuscule Georgian army, they are not a superpower. In fact I would go as far to say the South Ossetian War did less for Russia than the benefits, as Georgia, Ukraine et al have been literally pushed away from Russian influence by...Russia itself. What are your thoughts? :hmmm:
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    Showing that it is "Back in the game" so to speak

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    For all that Russia may or may not have lost, the most important thing it achieved was a place in the world scene again. It demonstrated it is willing to assert itself on the international scene once more and the world acknowledged that. That's more important than gaining any kind of leverage over any tiny Caucus state. Russia's not a superpower right now. But that doesn't mean the potential isn't there.
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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    Just helping there allies, and annoing the USA.
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    It was still a power show to the rest of the world.
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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    I think Russia is trying to prove its trustworthiness hence y they probably didnt just keep Georgia for itself. But Russia seems to feel it cant trust anyone else (sometimes rightfully so) and therefore has had to stomp its foot so to speak.

    I'd say that by declaring Abkhazia and South Ossetia independent based on Georgian aggression they are making a simple statement and acerting their growing influence but with restraint. This issue parallels the Kosovo issue. The ruler attacks, minority victims cry genocide, someone intercedes. Russia has done this looking to either void the Kosovo's independence in favor of its Serbian ally or make the west look like hypocrites if they dont support the new "minority region independence" precedent for Georgia's seperatist regions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hesus de bodemloze View Post
    It was still a power show to the rest of the world.
    this is true too.

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    It was still a power show to the rest of the world.
    All politics are local. The S. Ossetia war played extremely well in the Russian public opinion, and also set an example for some other unruly federal republics in that area.

    I would say this was comparable to the Granada invasion, a military re-assertion in a traditional sphere of influence after a troubled period. What it does or doesn't do on the international stage is secondary.

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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    it received south ossetia

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    it got on a chance to wave it's dick around saying hahaha i am the big man on this end of the world....but everybody just looks at Russia now and says....who cares
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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    it's like an old man marrying a 23 year old with huge tits



    just to prove that they can still do it




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    1) Russia was doing its job by policing the region and regulating small violent countries like Georgia.
    2) Russia has shown that it is not a baby-eating empire. Medvedev could move all the way to Tbilisi and overthrow the current puppet regime in Georgia but he didn't. Moreover, Russia didn't even invade Georgia except for town of Gori, and they had to move in there, because Saakashvili ordered his troops to abandon it, which left the town and its people without any authority.
    3) Russia helped two nations who were in danger of annihilation to get independence from Georgia they were waiting for 18 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    1) Russia was doing its job by policing the region and regulating small violent countries like Georgia.
    2) Russia has shown that it is not a baby-eating empire. Medvedev could move all the way to Tbilisi and overthrow the current puppet regime in Georgia but he didn't. Moreover, Russia didn't even invade Georgia except for town of Gori, and they had to move in there, because Saakashvili ordered his troops to abandon it, which left the town and its people without any authority.
    3) Russia helped two nations who were in danger of annihilation to get independence from Georgia they were waiting for 18 years.

    except

    georgia isn't a violent radical nation that exterminates others

    and russia lied about pretty much everything

    and how can trust a nation like russia after the cold war? commie sons-a-es


    and if your sig is true, then why are you supporting the Russian Government




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    Quote Originally Posted by Otsman View Post
    except

    georgia isn't a violent radical nation that exterminates others
    Well georgian military did deliberately attack Osetian civilians. And georgian soldiers said there were ordered so by commanders.

    and russia lied about pretty much everything
    Russia didn't lie, at least in not bigger extent that Saakashvili or his masters from US did.

    and how can trust a nation like russia after the cold war? commie sons-a-es
    And how can USA be trusted after Cold War? Capitalist sons of es


    and if your sig is true, then why are you supporting the Russian Government
    Russian government is better of two evils. I don't praticularly like Medvedev because he is too pro-capitalist, but Russian government is definetly better than Saakashvili's regime.

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    Oh gods, enter the nationalist apologists.

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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    Ugh... And just when you think the storm is done...

    What did georgia gained from the war?

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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    Volh Vseslavich, 2 small separtist regions could hardly be called nations.
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    Russian government is better of two evils. I don't praticularly like Medvedev because he is too pro-capitalist, but Russian government is definetly better than Saakashvili's regime.
    well, anything anti-government never does anyone any good, never has, never will




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    Default Re: What did Russia really gain from the South Ossetian war?

    They proved they would attack geriogia if it pissed them off?

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