Do Blood-related-to-royalty family members get priority for faction heirs?

[foolfromhell]

1. I'm playing Byzantines, there is no shortage of Komemni, but I changed Evangelos Everestos or whatever he was called to my name in real life. I then married him to Anna Komemnus. Will he or his descendants ever become faction heirs and eventually, faction leaders as long as male Komemni live? The Komemni have a trait "royal bloodline" or something, saying like "Atleast we know the mother is royal...", etc.

2. Also, i get periodic messages telling me Dynasties are dead, a new one comes or the King dies with no heir, so a Regent if placed.

But, I was at war with Seljuks and I killed their Faction Leader, and all of their remaining cities turned neutral, probably because there were no family members left. Why was a Regent not placed or a new dynasty in power? Whats the difference?

3. If all Komemni males die and a king from "my family" is leader now, will the old Dynasty end? Will the new faction leader get the "Dynasty Founder" trait, etc.?

[Gnostiko]

1. I'm playing Byzantines, there is no shortage of Komemni, but I changed Evangelos Everestos or whatever he was called to my name in real life. I then married him to Anna Komemnus. Will he or his descendants ever become faction heirs and eventually, faction leaders as long as male Komemni live? The Komemni have a trait "royal bloodline" or something, saying like "Atleast we know the mother is royal...", etc.

That really depends on the random outcomes of your game. In theory, the AI should always be aiming to keep the Komnenoi (and other royal families) in power but as I've noted in the help forum, there seems to be a legitimacy issue with 6.2 where the AI has done a complete 180 and avoids keeping the crown in the family at all costs.

But, I was at war with Seljuks and I killed their Faction Leader, and all of their remaining cities turned neutral, probably because there were no family members left. Why was a Regent not placed or a new dynasty in power? Whats the difference?

I'm assuming you mean the Seljuqs were destroyed because you'd killed their last family member in battle. A "regent" in game terms is a family member not of the royal line (e.g. a non-Komnenos) taking power because the only available [Komnenos] is under-age. In your example, if there were any family members left they were most likely under-age, and hence, faction destroyed.

3. If all Komemni males die and a king from "my family" is leader now, will the old Dynasty end? Will the new faction leader get the "Dynasty Founder" trait, etc.?

Yes; you just answered your own question - if there are no more Komneni then there is no Komnenos dynasty left!
That said, if you have Caralampio's Royal Women minimod installed, Komnena's can carry on the bloodline (albeit no longer called Komnenos)

[foolfromhell]

That really depends on the random outcomes of your game. In theory, the AI should always be aiming to keep the Komnenoi (and other royal families) in power but as I've noted in the help forum, there seems to be a legitimacy issue with 6.2 where the AI has done a complete 180 and avoids keeping the crown in the family at all costs.

I'm on 6.1, so that flip wont happen. I try to never adopt since it would "pollute" the bloodline. So the family with my IRL name will never be king unless every Komnenos dies? Okay... that sucks.

I'm assuming you mean the Seljuqs were destroyed because you'd killed their last family member in battle. A "regent" in game terms is a family member not of the royal line (e.g. a non-Komnenos) taking power because the only available [Komnenos] is under-age. In your example, if there were any family members left they were most likely under-age, and hence, faction destroyed.

So assume every Komnenos dies, the only ones left are from a non-Komnenos. Will John Smith become faction leader and John Smith Jr. become Heir? Or will leadership transfer to the oldest Komnenos who eventually becomes 16?

Yes; you just answered your own question - if there are no more Komneni then there is no Komnenos dynasty left!
That said, if you have Caralampio's Royal Women minimod installed, Komnena's can carry on the bloodline (albeit no longer called Komnenos)

Wat does Carlampio's Royal Women minimod do?

Does it allow non-royal family (like the brother of the king's daughters) to be given to other factions for alliances?

Can I install that mod even though I have a campaign in progress?

Can women become heirs and leaders?

[Gnostiko]

So the family with my IRL name will never be king unless every Komnenos dies? Okay... that sucks.

Count yourself lucky, I've yet to see a Komnenos assume the purple after Ioannes, and it's incredibly frustrating.

So assume every Komnenos dies, the only ones left are from a non-Komnenos. Will John Smith become faction leader and John Smith Jr. become Heir?

Correcto. However, as to the requirements of what makes the AI choose the next faction leader...no idea...I'm guessing authority or command.

Or will leadership transfer to the oldest Komnenos who eventually becomes 16?

If there is an underage Komnenos, a regent will be chosen, and a faction heir from a non-Komnenos family too. If the faction leader bites it, the heir will assume the purple, and, if the Komnenos has come of age, he will become faction heir. However, if he is still underage the current faction leader's son will become heir, and so on until a Komnenos is in a position to be nominated heir and the crown goes 'back' into the family.

What does Carlampio's Royal Women minimod do?

Among other things, it enables Royal Princesses (e.g. a Komnena) to carry on the royal bloodline, to simulate historical claims of legitimacy through mothers. For example, if Aleksios and Ioannes die before siring any children, the offspring of Anna and her husband will carry on as the 'true' bloodline.

Does it allow non-royal family (like the brother of the king's daughters) to be given to other factions for alliances?

No, I'm afraid that's hardcoded; only the daughters of the reigning family spawn 'agent' princesses.

Can I install that mod even though I have a campaign in progress?

The official answer is 'no'. Give it a try anyway, it's been a while, so I'm not sure whether it's savegame compatible. It won't break your current game if that's what you're worried about.

Can women become heirs and leaders?

No, never, I'm afraid.

[gracul]

That really depends on the random outcomes of your game. In theory, the AI should always be aiming to keep the Komnenoi (and other royal families) in power but as I've noted in the help forum, there seems to be a legitimacy issue with 6.2 where the AI has done a complete 180 and avoids keeping the crown in the family at all costs.

Well if you like factions getting destroyed instead of regents being appointed, then just go to the script file and disable all the scripts that have I_NumberOfHeirs.

[Gnostiko]

Well if you like factions getting destroyed instead of regents being appointed, then just go to the script file and disable all the scripts that have I_NumberOfHeirs.

Despite odd incidents Rozanov has pointed out in some discussion threads, I've never seen a faction destroyed in this manner.

Regardless, thank you for finally addressing this!
Could you please expand on how to correct this? Am I just deleting any and all instances of I_NumberOfHeirs?

(on a tangent, why should having regents interfere with power staying in the hands of the royal family? In terms of game mechanics, of course)

[magraev]

And a small warning with the byzantines - Don't let your princesses marry! Or at least only marry family-members from other good bloodlines.

The reason is, that your fine princess' sons will get a penalty to loyalty, and a bonus fighting byzantines! Apparently they believe they should have the power for themselves...

If you snag an english prince for instance the bonus from his bloodline will offset the penalty your own will give you.

[gracul]

Delete all the things that start with "if I_NumberOfHeirs" to "end_if".

Ive seen numerous factions getting destroyed, mostly cumans, khwarezmians, and norwegians liked suicide their whole family while attacking rebels.

In medieval when someone finally got the power then they have done anything to stay powerful, so thats not something weird... + its all hardcoded. The only weird thing is that when you have a heir of the loyal bloodline in the age of 13, then the appointed heir from outside the bloodline will stay as a heir even when your rightful heir comes of age.

[Gnostiko]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to; non-bloodline FM's staying in power. I don't understand how coding in regents would interfere with that.

[caralampio]

First of all, how did you change your character's name? In descr_strat?

The only rule that seems to make sense in the family tree is that if at the moment the current heir becomes king, he has a blood son of age, this child will be named heir preferentially even if he has older brothers-in-law or older adopted brothers. So, essentially, once a king has a male grandson of age, the line is secure to the third generation and you can marry your princesses who are sisters of the grandson without worry that their husbands will take the throne, or you can have your heir adopt guys.

If at the moment of the king's death his heir has no blood son of age to become next heir, the game chooses randomly among the males of the generation below that of the new king. It has no regard for bloodlines and frequently chooses in-laws or adopted generals. If there are no generals in the generation below, then it will choose among the new king's generation.

If at the moment of the king's death the heir has adoptive or in-law sons, but no blood sons, one of them (probably the oldest) will become new heir. Therefore, for those who care about keeping lines, it is important to not marry the older sisters, or accept adopted sons, until the blood son is of age.

My mod causes the "of xxx blood" ("of French blood" for instance) to be transmitted through princesses that remain in your tree. For example if Constance Capet marries John Smith, she becomes Constance Smith and her sons will be Smith, but they will carry the "of French blood" trait where it says that they descend from Philip Capet...

This man is a descendant of King Philip I, successor to a long line of French kings. His pride is quite understandable, and is said to be reflected in his devotion to the Capetian dynasty.
+1 Loyalty, +1 Chivalry

So if Jacques Smith becomes king someday, well it's not too bad for those of us who like to roleplay the bloodlines. At least he descends from Philip I (and he gets +1 loyalty and +1 chivalry too).

[foolfromhell]

There's a guide somewhere here.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85474

It involves changing he name of one of the starting generals from descr_strat and also changing a few other files that contain all possible name combinations. The name of the general in the descr strat must also be in one of those other massive lists.

I changed the name of one of the starting Byzantine Generals to my name. Thanks for that. Will the mod change a game of mine I already started?