Roma Surrectum 2.0: Cimbri Faction Preview

[frontier-auxilia]

absolutely beautiful. I love how you guys inbule this sense of warrior ruggness and feriocity right into everyone of these units. Particularly digging the helmets. For some odd reason people like to ramble on about how sucessful the roman have butchering "barbarians" but they never recalled that the Germanic tribe was trashing Roman armies by the dozens before marius came along. Then there was also teutoberg.

Btw what are the strength and weakness of their army...from what i be seeing, they don't have any apparent weaknesses at all o_0!!!

[Arnspac]

absolutely beautiful. I love how you guys inbule this sense of warrior ruggness and feriocity right into everyone of these units. Particularly digging the helmets. For some odd reason people like to ramble on about how sucessful the roman have butchering "barbarians" but they never recalled that the Germanic tribe was trashing Roman armies by the dozens before marius came along. Then there was also teutoberg.

Btw what are the strength and weakness of their army...from what i be seeing, they don't have any apparent weaknesses at all o_0!!!

You will just have to wait to find out.

[Darius_D]

Hello guys, what an amazing preview!
Now it is clear where CA found its inspiration for germanic screaming women in vanilla RTW (btw. their scream was sounding great!)

And actually, given military-oriented culture of Cimbri women I was disappointed not to see such a unit in Cimbri roster. I think it suits perfectly for this faction.
Is any chance for that?

[Arnspac]

Hello guys, what an amazing preview!
Now it is clear where CA found its inspiration for germanic screaming women in vanilla RTW (btw. their scream was sounding great!)

And actually, given military-oriented culture of Cimbri women I was disappointed not to see such a unit in Cimbri roster. I think it suits perfectly for this faction.
Is any chance for that?

Well the Priestess Officer is as close as we will get for the moment. But there's always RS 3.

[Darius_D]

Well the Priestess Officer is as close as we will get for the moment.

Well, that's nowhere near this: a light infantry unit of Cimbri women, half naked, armed with bow and knife, placed at the very back of the formation.
In battle they would be on defensive mode, main role being support of hand-to-hand combat, and despite poor accuracy of shooting their main and truly weapon being that fantastic scream, heavily damaging morale of nearby enemy soldiers (civilised only - namely roman and hellenictic).

Indeed I hope for this unit to be added sooner or later.

[dvk901]

I don't want my Romans staring at half naked women, because that's about as impressed as they would be.

[Darius_D]

that's first phase of tactics, in second phase they would be overwhelmed by this horrible SCREAM

[Legionnaire151]

heavily damaging morale of nearby enemy soldiers (civilised only - namely roman and hellenictic).

Women don't scare Spartans...even screaming, half-naked ones. The only thing a true Spartan is afraid of is the lack of warfare.

[Darius_D]

Women don't scare Spartans...even screaming, half-naked ones. The only thing a true Spartan is afraid of is the lack of warfare.

oh! believe it or not, I wanted to write "except Spartans" but the vision must have blinded me and I forgot.


@ tone
you did a great job, but I must say the priestess could be a bit improved to give her more recognizable female look, I judge upon screens attached. I prefer to be honest. Other than that, master class job, as usually!

[vasiooo]

man this faction is very rong made ,let bypass of two handed axes and other exageration but i seen a huge mistake >FALX WAS THE NATIONAL WAR ARM OF DACIENS ,bastarne are depicted one time wth falx ,in batle of ADAMCLISI when they fouth for dacians ,and problaly they recive more decisive wepons to fight romans.
Bastarne army in history was a merge of spearmen and horseman put togheter in the same unit and it no record that they use any tactics they carge one time togheter to breack oposit army.
Falx was a decisiv weapon use to give the decisive blow in a abuscade ,is the perfect weapon for dacian tactics ,it was large use in 106 n wars whit romans when dacians was inferior in numbers 1/8 , in the glory era of Buerobista 44 BC falx was not such use because dacians dont use ambuss tactics because they have a huge army after some historians 200000 wariors.
TO DACIAN prewiuss i dont see a dacien falx worior and this is very rong i hope they will be a same unit and named DRAPANAI or sica warior because falx is a roman name sica is dacien
sory for my english and well done ,the work put here is crazi ,it the best mod ever made but i see thiss mistake and could not say nothing

[Legatus Legionarii]

What an excellent preview! Congratulations!!!

[Visarion]

Trust me vasiooo Cimbri faction is correct! The Dacians will be more exact! It's a surprise...
Tone has done great work for all factions!

[Scarrus]

Trust me vasiooo Cimbri faction is correct! The Dacians will be more exact! It's a surprise...
Tone has done great work for all factions!

Well, they should in some way resemble the Cimbri(not necessarly unit-looking), as they were similar in many ways to the germanic tribes. Even the word Sica(pronounced "seeka") sounds very germanic: Sickle(English), Sichel(German). I think there must be somewhere a missing link between these 2 cultures. Perhaps it's the iranian influence, or perhaps something older. I wonder why no historian bothers to seek why there were so many resemblances between The Dacians(or Thracians in general) and the germanic tribes. As I see it, they were much closer to each other as either of them with the Celts. Take for example the rituals performed before battle by the Dacians and them trying to resemble wild animals, especially wolfes. Does "Bear Warriors" ring any bells? And the whole "affection" and "need" for nature that are still carved into Romanian culture to this date... These things of course beeing just a few examples. Maybe someone who knows more about this subject could jump into the discussion

[Visarion]

Well, they should in some way resemble the Cimbri(not necessarly unit-looking), as they were similar in many ways to the germanic tribes. Even the word Sica(pronounced "seeka") sounds very germanic: Sickle(English), Sichel(German). I think there must be somewhere a missing link between these 2 cultures. Perhaps it's the iranian influence, or perhaps something older. I wonder why no historian bothers to seek why there were so many resemblances between The Dacians(or Thracians in general) and the germanic tribes. As I see it, they were much closer to each other as either of them with the Celts. Take for example the rituals performed before battle by the Dacians and them trying to resemble wild animals, especially wolfes. Does "Bear Warriors" ring any bells? And the whole "affection" and "need" for nature that are still carved into Romanian culture to this date... These things of course beeing just a few examples. Maybe someone who knows more about this subject could jump into the discussion

Dacian is part of the Satem division of Indo-European language family while German is part of the Centum division.

The terms Centum Group and Satem Group come from the words for the number "one hundred" in a traditional representative language of each group: Latin centum and Avestan satəm. The initial consonant in these two examples comes from the Indo-European palatal consonant, *ḱ, which became in the first case a simple velar, and in the second a sibilant. The Romanian language has a Dacian substratum and the Romanian word for one hundred is "o suta"!



Many people of the ancient world performed rituals concerning the transformation of someone into wild animals including Native Americans. Nonetheless it is true that there could be a link between Cimbri bear warriors and the Romanian tradition consisting in men dressing as bears. Romanians have preserved many Dacian elements and we must be proud of our heritage!

Herodotus thought the Cimmerians and the Thracians closely related, writing that both peoples originally inhabited the northern shore of the Black Sea, and both were displaced about 700 BC, by invaders from further east. Whereas the Cimmerians would have departed this ancestral homeland by heading east and south across the Caucasus, the Thracians migrated west and south into the Balkans, where they established a successful and long-lived culture. The Tauri, the original inhabitants of Crimea, are sometimes identified as a people related to the Thracians.

Thracians inhabited parts of the ancient provinces: Thrace, Moesia, Macedonia, Dacia, Scythia Minor, Sarmatia, Bithynia, Mysia, Pannonia, and other regions on the Balkans and Anatolia. This area extends over most of the Balkans region, and the Getae north of the Danube as far as beyond the Bug.

Premodern historians asserted Cimmerian descent for the Celts or the Germans, arguing from the similarity of Cimmerii to Cimbri or Cymry.

The etymology of Cymro "Welshman" (plural: Cymry) and Cwmry (for Cumbria), connected to the Cimmerians by 17th century celticists, is now accepted by Celtic linguists to derive from the Brythonic word combrogos and Proto-Brythonic kom-brogos, meaning "compatriots", and is thus related to its sister language Breton's keñvroad, keñvroiz "compatriot".

The Takla Makan Mummies of China are of Caucasoid origin. These 3,000-year-old people celebrated fertility in Western China, at reproductive fertility rite ceremony sites, where they drew figures virtually identical to 4,000-year-old ones found in Bulgaria and Ukraine. The Horse was first domesticated on the lands which were part of the Thracian home range, the Ukrainian Steppes. Man domesticated horses here between 4500 and 2500 BC. The fierce Cimmerians also originated on these lands. Most likely they where the first ever nomads. The origin of the Cimmerians is obscure. Linguistically they are usually regarded as Thracian or as Iranian, or at least to have had an Iranian ruling class. They probably lived in the area north of the Black Sea.

Cimmerians where responsible for the destruction of the Armenian - Urartu kingdom and the Thracian - Phrygian one. The Cimmerian’s culture influenced the Celts, the Thracians, and the Scythians who defeated and assimilated the Cimmerians in a 30 year war around the 7th or 8th centuries BC.

The Sarmatians where the descendents of the Cimmerians and had their revenge over the Scythians. A large part of the Sarmatians migrated westwards and established near Thracians! In many cases Thracians and Sarmatians allied against common enemies.

Herodotus was probably right about the common origin of Thracians and Cimmerians (Sarmatians) but he was most certainly wrong about the period they decided to migrate in opposite directions! That happened much earlier!

Of course there exists the possibility of more then one migrations...

There are some historians that sustain the Thracian origin of the Pelasgians, Etruscans and Iberians based on the Albanian language related to ancient Thracian and Illyrian, on the legend of Sea People and on the migration of Lydians in Italy. The Albanian language was used to decipher ancient writings found in Lemnos and Imbros islands, Egypt, Italy and Spain.

Some say that Minoans and Argolids where Pelasgians and that the ancient Philistines, Etruscans and Iberians were descendents of the Sea People of Thracian and Semitic origins...

Thracians influenced many cultures including Macedonians and Greeks!

To answer your question there was without a doubt a relation between Thracians and the Germanic Cimbri even if they were closer to Celts regarding lifestyle and warfare.

Thraco-Cimmerians migrated in Cimbri teritory and merged with them. This is proved by testing mithocondrial DNA. Back then Cimbri were Celts and lived near the Alps. Only later they merged with the Germans from the north and took the Etruscan-based runic writing system with them. They are responsible for the Etruscan scripts in Northern Europe.

Many Celtic tribes that lived in Southeastern Europe claimed to be descendends of the Thracians! They were Celto-Thracians!



Distribution of Thraco-Cimmerian finds!

We Romanians have such a great history and we don't even know it!

[Dog Fart]

^ Amazing screenshot!

[Visarion]

some very nice units here... love the helmets of nobles mounted and dismounted...

[xXEsotericXx]

oh.. .Never seen this Thread before, awsome Faction ! Bear warriors look Beast

[justinius]

Awesome units just pondering about this ''Averaging over six and a half feet tall,.'' in the description of Cimbri Noble Cavalry. I find that hard to believe when Vikings or their Ancient Germanic cousins (the men obviously) averaged about 5'6'' so 6'5''would be very very uncommon even for these supposedly very tall Germans.

[Mulattothrasher]

Hmm, I think that might be a reference from some classical sources. Regardless it's not meant to be taken seriously. :-)

[justinius]

Ok but still wondering how that came about though.