worlds most powerful army

[saglam2000]

well what do you think....and also post your order of strongest:
1)america
2)china
3)india
4)Turkey
5)England
6)Russia
7)germany-sorry germans you arent da bomb no more


PS-Russia is low because their army is an un-disciplined wreck and their navy is practically 2 canoes and a dude on an inner tube with an AK
PSS-England may have the king of special forces (SAS) but its land army and navy are shadows of their former selves

i think this thread already exists but i felt like starting a new one with my options

[The Dude]

Well, absolutely or relatively?

Absolutely, the US army.

Relatively, the Israeli army. Or the North Korean one.

[skag]

Well, absolutely or relatively?

Absolutely, the US army.

Relatively, the Israeli army. Or the North Korean one.

Same opinion (except north korea as i know nothing about it)
So i voted USA

[Markas]

Just a few minor points- There's no such thing as the english army, Turkey should not be above Russia or really in the top seven and North Korea seems to be absent. Those are just three issues with your list as an example...

[saglam2000]

Just a few minor points- There's no such thing as the english army, Turkey should not be above Russia or really in the top seven and North Korea seems to be absent. Those are just three issues with your list as an example...

you realize north korea is just cannon fodder, and russia is a SHADOW of is former self, their army doesnt even have a million people anymore...and the english army counts as the UK's army

[Markas]

you realize north korea is just cannon fodder, and russia is a SHADOW of is former self, their army doesnt even have a million people anymore...and the english army counts as the UK's army

Well as Russia and North Korea have nukes and Turkey does not it renders such arguments mute. Indeed, Turkey would most likely end up cannon-fodder that glows in the dark should they find themselves in a war with either.

[The Dude]

you realize north korea is just cannon fodder

Still a lot of cannon fodder.

[Watchman]

Which, in modern warfare, is supposed to be particularly useful exactly how ?

[Surgeon]

You forgot Chuck Norris. He is an army, nation, universe and god unto himself.

I will now inform him of your blasphemous exclusion. May chuck have mercy on you..

Chuck Norris doesn't like squealers. You'd better watch your back.

you realize north korea is just cannon fodder, and russia is a SHADOW of is former self, their army doesnt even have a million people anymore...and the english army counts as the UK's army

Cannon fodder that has nukes, by the looks of things. Unless you are defining 'army' by some specific terms?

[Zephyrus]

Chuck Norris doesn't like squealers. You'd better watch your back.


Cannon fodder that has nukes, by the looks of things. Unless you are defining 'army' by some specific terms?

Pssh, didn't say I was going to tell him face to face. Only retards risk RHKs!

As for france having a mighty army. . I bet Mexico would kick their ass in any ground engagement 1 on 1.

They'd probably just surrender to save themselves the trouble of getting dirty and seeing their precious Eiffel tower pockmarked

[Chukada1]

Pssh, didn't say I was going to tell him face to face. Only retards risk RHKs!

As for france having a mighty army. . I bet Mexico would kick their ass in any ground engagement 1 on 1.

They'd probably just surrender to save themselves the trouble of getting dirty and seeing their precious Eiffel tower pockmarked

Yeah. Just like those cowards did in World War One.

[shadyrome]

Britian should atleast be above india and turkey... We have Sas for god sake!

[Surgeon]

I do believe Germany and England have fairly powerful militaries. Oh sure, WW2 is over. Doesn't mean they totally suck now.

[Viking Prince]

What do you mean by a military? Are you including capacity to project worldwide or are you limiting to defense of borders? Are you including abilities to resupply? What about the industrial capacity to build and replace equipment?

The strength of the modern military includes all of the above to one degree or another. Obviously under certain measures the Israelis are much stronger than the Germans.

Also, why break out NATO coutries as individual forces? -- If anything, it should be apparant that the military alliance is and has held up quite well.

Since NATO is not listed, I did not vote.

[Principe Alessandro]

Germany surely

[Zephyrus]

You forgot Chuck Norris. He is an army, nation, universe and god unto himself.

I will now inform him of your blasphemous exclusion. May chuck have mercy on you..

[Watchman]

The US takes the top spot, no question.

The UK, France and Germany are the resident big boys in Europe. Not exactly a surprise, as they're the subcontinent's Top Three anyway. However, two out of three not only maintain at least a degree of expeditionary capacity but also nuclear forces (and the French build their own junk to boot; they're also the only state besides the US to have an operational nuclear-powered carrier afloat).

Russia's kinda meh. It doesn't really speak very highly of the state of their military that it has barely been capable of pushing around former Caucasus satellites - and Chechenya was a rather painful excursion at that. One gets the impression it's going to take rather a bit of rebuilding and reforming (which they're busily trying, mind you) to get the military back into first-tier status. 'Course, they still have their Big Pile O'Nukes(tm) (although large parts of the arsenal are apparently a bit rusty now, quite enough doubtless work just fine) and nobody of any consequence has any real interest in picking a fight with them anyway.

China ? Well, the PLA's got numbers anyway. Not much else though, from what I know. Their hardware seems to be around late-80s Soviet export grade, and AFAIK the sophisticated stuff (say, quality warplanes or up-to-date warship systems) has to be imported. Probably couldn't invade Taiwan succesfully if they tried (the Taiwanese use relatively up-to-date US surplus, AFAIK...). Not really what might be considered a first-rate outfit, but hardly something you want to go pick a fight with either.

India I'm not sure about. They've their own nukes and the delivery systems, if none too many, decent numbers, and from what I know of their kill-tech shopping, passable level of equipement. No idea of the training level though, but given the lackluster track record with Pakistan (plus the really embarassing incident where the Chinese booted them off the Himalayas) and domestic troublemakers I'm somewhat suspicious.

The rest ? Meh. Israel's at most a regional bigshot, chiefly by the virtue of all of its neighbours being way weaker. The IDF is well trained, equipped and motivated (and nigh certainly has nukes) and generally a competent outfit, but kinda tiny in absolute terms and only recently got rather publicly embarassed by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. The lesser NATO countries are on the whole capable and decently equipped, but individually none too imposing. Below that you generally just have lots of rather low-quality infantry and more or less badly dated gear, the kind of setup capable of keeping domestic order in some third-rate banana state and maybe waging a nasty and pointless border war with a comparable neighbour, but not much else...

[Chukada1]

China ? Well, the PLA's got numbers anyway. Not much else though, from what I know. Their hardware seems to be around late-80s Soviet export grade, and AFAIK the sophisticated stuff (say, quality warplanes or up-to-date warship systems) has to be imported. Probably couldn't invade Taiwan succesfully if they tried (the Taiwanese use relatively up-to-date US surplus, AFAIK...). Not really what might be considered a first-rate outfit, but hardly something you want to go pick a fight with either.

The PLAN have a pretty big submarine force to.

Of course. This topic is incorrectly labeled as "army." Therefore numbers do account for a lot. Can't rely on your jets when we're discounting the others arms of the military.

The PLA isn't about numbers, FYI. It's about cyber warefare and infaltration. Something the Chinese are really good at, expecially the latter.

They have a lot of reserves, but they're not going to commit them in human waves. To the dismay of some people's sick and twisted fantasy of fighting billions of asians.

[Watchman]

The PLAN have a pretty big submarine force to.

And the tech level of *those* is what exactly ? Sub warfare tends to be a rather technology-intensive affair...

Of course. This topic is incorrectly labeled as "army." Therefore numbers do account for a lot. Can't rely on your jets when we're discounting the others arms of the military.

Numbers don't account to squat if you can't employ them effectively. Or the other guy owns the skies and blasts your guys to bits.

The PLA isn't about numbers, FYI. It's about cyber warefare and infaltration. Something the Chinese are really good at, expecially the latter.

So why is it so bloody huge then ? And its war gear frankly not exactly first rate ?

They have a lot of reserves, but they're not going to commit them in human waves. To the dismay of some people's sick and twisted fantasy of fighting billions of asians.

I don't really see the relevance.

As for france having a mighty army. . I bet Mexico would kick their ass in any ground engagement 1 on 1.

You know, I'd be quite willing to take that bet. At rather large sum too. Would help me pay the rent for a while I guess, and I did need to buy a new bookshelf.

You *do* realize we're talking about a nuclear-capable first-tier NATO military that until quite recently was, like everyone else on the subcontinent, tooled up to hold off the Soviets, and has one of the highest budgets in the world, against a meh Latin American outfit ?

They'd probably just surrender to save themselves the trouble of getting dirty and seeing their precious Eiffel tower pockmarked

You do realize the Germans had to conquer half the country, at no mean casualty rates, and reduce the French army to a shattered wreck (that still kept trying to shoot back) before the brass finally called for ceasefire...?

'Sides, like most they've spent the past fifty-odd years worrying most of their cities would disappear in nuclear fireballs one day. What'd the Mexicans do, graffiti on the walls ? Urinate in corners ? Pff. These are the people who think riots are a legitimate and traditional form of popular expression...

[Chukada1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

And the tech level of *those* is what exactly ? Sub warfare tends to be a rather technology-intensive affair...
Numbers don't account to squat if you can't employ them effectively. Or the other guy owns the skies and blasts your guys to bits.

I said the thread was incorrectly labelled, as numbers really help when you can't rely on your airforce, because this thread is labelled ARMY.

So why is it so bloody huge then ?

Because China is bloody huge, and it has one of the largest land borders in the world.

And its war gear frankly not exactly first rate ?

Because China isn't run by idiots and their wargasims.