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    I definatley did not think it was this big...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bov9M...eature=related

    I thought this video was amazing and pretty shocking, however it sort of made me feel insignificant. What you guys think? Was your "mind blown" ?
    I wonder how those god-fanboys think of that? If we're really created by god, he would not give a about us or the earth because we're so insignificant.

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    See. That's why I think that we as humanity have pretty much no chance of figuring out what created the universe.
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    See. That's why I think that we as humanity have pretty much no chance of figuring out what created the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    I wonder how those god-fanboys think of that?
    Do you mean to suggest there is something bigger than the sun out there? Woopdidoo! I don't think even god-fanbois try to deny that. If anything this would simply prove the grandeur of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    If we're really created by god, he would not give a about us or the earth because we're so insignificant.
    Of course God cares. In whatever grande scheme he/she/it has planned for us that is. If you want proof that God cares, look no further than various holy books. As should be common knowledge by now, we all know they are infallible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    If we're really created by god, he would not give a about us or the earth because we're so insignificant.

    I am not what you would define as a "god-fanboy", but I would suppose the argument of said fanboys would be that of the grand size of the universe, an unimaginable size, the fact that we humans are the lucky minuscule (compared to the size of the universe) beings that were granted lives and the perfect home to accomodate us (as far as we humans know) is the reason He cares about us. Think about it, taking the perspective God does indeed exist, why would he choose only the planet Earth for his creations and not the whole gargantuan universe, or another little minuscule dot of the universe?
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    This is definitely the sort of thing that a theist might use to 'prove' god. It's usually something awe inspiring, like the size of the universe, sunsets, rainbows etc. I've heard "How can you look at this and not believe in god?" a couple times at said occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Scratch View Post
    This is definitely the sort of thing that a theist might use to 'prove' god. It's usually something awe inspiring, like the size of the universe, sunsets, rainbows etc. I've heard "How can you look at this and not believe in god?" a couple times at said occasions.
    The problem with that being, of course, that it works both ways. "How can you think someone made this?" as well as"What do we matter?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Scratch View Post
    This is definitely the sort of thing that a theist might use to 'prove' god. It's usually something awe inspiring, like the size of the universe, sunsets, rainbows etc. I've heard "How can you look at this and not believe in god?" a couple times at said occasions.
    But that still doesn't prove god, as the Theist intended.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Acco View Post
    I am not what you would define as a "god-fanboy", but I would suppose the argument of said fanboys would be that of the grand size of the universe, an unimaginable size, the fact that we humans are the lucky minuscule (compared to the size of the universe) beings that were granted lives and the perfect home to accomodate us (as far as we humans know) is the reason He cares about us. Think about it, taking the perspective God does indeed exist, why would he choose only the planet Earth for his creations and not the whole gargantuan universe, or another little minuscule dot of the universe?
    How do you know he hadn't created other life forms inside those huge stars? How do you know we're not seen as worthless worms by other creatures?

    Is it not ridiculous to think ourselves divine and chosen by god just because we don't know anything else?

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    If god does exist , and my definition omnipident , then he would care .

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    And the only heavenly bodies they discuss are planets and stars. If that person really wanted they could've had a ball with the Hubble Deep Field.
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    i think it only makes a difference when we think of ‘chosen people’ and ‘son of god’ all being here on earth. apart from that, as it all started from a tiny singularity its size is purely perspective.
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    I love god and it is exactly the reason I believe in god, I of course believe in a alien and uncaring but very powerful zombie god; but anything that dwarfs our significance I think is a good thing.

    can you imagine if we were the things truly responsible for this universe? what a bunch of ups!-- thank god for insignificance !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I love god and it is exactly the reason I believe in god, I of course believe in a alien and uncaring but very powerful zombie god; but anything that dwarfs our significance I think is a good thing.
    Why? (the significance part)

    can you imagine if we were the things truly responsible for this universe? what a bunch of ups!-- thank god for insignificance !
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    Is it ridiculous? Arrogant, definitely, but I am not sure about ridiculous. However, using 'ridiculous' as a way to measure mankind in the greater scheme of things is something I am not quite grasping. Ridiculous in that sense is so obscure, so intangible.
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    What is ridiculous, is the OP and the argument behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    What is ridiculous, is the OP and the argument behind it.
    As an atheist, I agree with this statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    What is ridiculous, is the OP and the argument behind it.
    Do you have any reason or you just think "IT'S WRONG!" because you cannot think of anything else??

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    His word makes no bones about that.
    Where is his word?

    Everything we know about god come from people who call themselves prophets (self-proclaimed prophets). They could just be a bunch of mentally-challenged persons or scums (yeah we got a lot of this type today!).

    Besides, why wouldn't god rather care other more developed beings out there in the universe? Why us? Would he care if an ant or dinosaur doesn't believe in him? If not then why should he care humans at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    Do you have any reason or you just think "IT'S WRONG!" because you cannot think of anything else??
    You know, I like cats, and that is why I'm going to answer, although it should be blatantly obvious.

    An omnipotent, omniscient Being is not restricted by "size" in the slightest. Are you perhaps one of those atheists whose motto is "I think, therefore I'm an atheist"? I'm just gathering data on those for my own amusement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    I must not be condesdencing nor arrogant, I must not be condesdencing nor arrogant, I must not be condesdencing nor arrogant...
    Condescending is your choice to make. Arrogant you already are simply for believing in god
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