Christmas is a pagan holiday. Jesus hates you for celebrating it.
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Christmas is a pagan holiday. Jesus hates you for celebrating it.
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Except it's not...it's a christian holiday, I believe you're refering to Yule or Sol invictus.
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They're the same.Originally Posted by Playfishpaste
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as christmas? No, they are most definitely not. At all.
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That was the epitome of ignorant anti-christian christmas arrogance.
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actually, there are a few christmas customs which are pagan, at least according to 3 priests that have told us so in church, back when I was still kid enough to still believe in christianity.
Gift giving for instance is a pagan custom, it's definitely not christmas, and the Santa Clause figure obviously goes with the same pagan side. In Romania, it is also customary to for each family to eat a pig for christmas, which is also a custom we seem to have from our ancestors who weren't christian.
Dunno, there might be others, or there might not be others, but gift giving for christmas is definitely pagan. Christmas itself is obviously not pagan, lol... but there was a good point behind op's intention.
Most idiot, ignorant and heavily biased statement about evolution that I've ever read:
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Nononono. December 25 is the birthday of both Sol Invictus and Mithras. Jesus's birth is sometime in spring due to several passages mentioning that the shepards say the star (as they would be inside during the winter and not tending flock).
It was implemented by the Catholic church to phase out Paganism, and thus incorporated many symbols Pagan symbols with a Christian twist. For example, the original celebration of hanging candles and such on trees was in some cases replaced, and in others joined, by hanging apples (now ornaments) to symbolize Original Sin and the Tree of Knowledge. That, and giving gifts, which was done with Saint Nicholas (Nikoklaus in German, Greek is Nikei-Laos, and secularized into Dutch as Sinterklaus and Santa Clause in English). He is famous for his stories that he gave out gifts to poor children and especially helped a poor man provide a dowry for his three daughters.
The imagery of Christmas, however, originates in the United States in the mid-19th Century, due to the fact that post-Revolutionary Americans did not celebrate Christmas as a holiday due to the fact that most celebrations up until that time (besides the masses, most people would get drunk and party) were invented by the English. In fact, the U.S. Congress stayed in session on December 25, 1789. When it was finally adopted, it was meant to a time for feasting and family, not partying. So rather, it's a product of American Commercial Imperialism :usflag:
Btw, as for Jesus not wanting us to celebrate it, think of it this way: We come together to celebrate predominantly Christian ideals; we give to the poor; we associate it with miracles; we come together with love for the family. I think Jesus would in fact like us to celebrate it, so long as we don't bastardize it as a null and void halmark holiday.
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Gift giving is pagan? So non pagans never gave gifts? Was it really that of an innovation that no one thought of it before?
Actually we give gifts because of Saint Nicholas.
We eat pig because pork is a meat often consumed in the Balkan area. it's a cultural thing as are these other "pagan customes" which anyone keeps for Christmas.
As for the OP, you're being a trolland really ignorant. I see people ignorantly claiming this very same thing in an attempt to debase Christmas and Christianity and it's really lame, over done and if you'd actually read some history on it aside from the Dan Brown fanboy crowd you'd see that.
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If Jesus Christ came back on Christmas a Christian would punch him in the nose for insulting his God.
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Father Christmas=Thor
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Erm, no.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint_Nicolaas
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Is anyone here seriously tell me that this guyhas anything to do with Christianity?
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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here in the Alps (Austria) the creatures which roam the night, beat people and accompany Santa during December look like this:Is anyone here seriously tell me that this guy
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My opinion of Austria just went up...
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ROFL! Here in Scotland we have Santa Claus, and pretty much nothing else in the tradition until Hogmanay (New Year, which we spend getting drunk on whisky and a strange custom involving going door to door in the middle of the night getting even more whisky in exchange for coal, which ends up looking like those charming fellows in your picture).here in the Alps (Austria) the creatures which roam the night, beat people and accompany Santa during December look like this:
Maybe our youth crime here would be lower if we had someone like those to accompany Santa? Seriously thogh what are they called? Pretty scary.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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Devils !here in the Alps (Austria) the creatures which roam the night, beat people and accompany Santa during December look like this:
We have those as well.
It's just that our ones roam the streets at 5th of December - we have 2 gifts-giving holidays
We are the Brunnen-G,
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We celebrate the death
that will fall from the sky.
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He hates the jooz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus
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