What EB1 Units can we expect to see gone?

[mikil100]

I'm fairly worried at what units will be gone in EBII, I think its definitely worth it, I'm just wondering if any major units will be taken out? So many new added factions and you're going to have to take out a hefty amount, huh? What faction will have most of its units taken out? Who will be most affected? Are mercenaries gonna take hits?

[lenin96]

They said it will probaly be city specific units (eg syracusan hoplites) and mercenary generals.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I'm not sure there are any units that are confirmed gone. There are just many that are unconfirmed to return. The Romans may take a cut in some later units, such as not having a different Marian and Augustan legionary unit.

[Ludens]

They said it will probaly be city specific units (eg syracusan hoplites) and mercenary generals.

I don't recall any posts about city-specific units being removed, although presumably some of the rarer regionals are going to get axed. The Syracusean hoplite is currently under review because the evidence used in its conception is being questioned. The faction coordinator of the Lusitani also stated he wanted to get rid of the dosidataskeli.

[lenin96]

I don't recall any posts about city-specific units being removed, although presumably some of the rarer regionals are going to get axed. The Syracusean hoplite is currently under review because the evidence used in its conception is being questioned. The faction coordinator of the Lusitani also stated he wanted to get rid of the dosidataskeli.

I didn't mean regional units, i meant things like hoplites for different greek cities.

[Ludens]

I didn't mean regional units, i meant things like hoplites for different greek cities.

I think you are confusing two things.
1) The EB team has stated that they will not include unique hoplites for every Greek city, unless the hoplites of this city used equipment or fought in a way that was clearly distinct from other Greek cities. Hence EB1 does have unique Spartan, Massilote and Syracusean hoplites, as well as regional hoplite varieties in Ethiopia and India.
2) The Syracusean hoplite is or was under review for removal, but this is because the historical accuracy of the unit is questioned, not because it is a city-specific unit.

[lenin96]

Oh now i see what the EB team meant.

[Hax]

There has been talk about the Ioudaioi Taxeis being removed, as the Jews did not fight in own contingents.

[mikil100]

It would be silly to keep the same city hoplites anyways, the hoplites will look so diverse with the M2TW engine anyways..

[Phalanx300]

It would be silly to keep the same city hoplites anyways, the hoplites will look so diverse with the M2TW engine anyways..

Then we might as well have 1 Phalangite unit to represent all of them into 1.

The city specific units in EB fought different or were trained different and were thus a different unit then the other Hoplites which means that they can be a unit on their own.

[mikil100]

Then we might as well have 1 Phalangite unit to represent all of them into 1.

The city specific units in EB fought different or were trained different and were thus a different unit then the other Hoplites which means that they can be a unit on their own.

I'm talking about city-specific hoplites.

The only ones I could see being left in are Syracusan hoplites, and maybe Spartan hoplites. In the EB period Sparta was not very powerful, so why even have Spartan hoplites if they were such a minor force. Massilian hoplites seem like they coiuld be absorbed into the M2TW enigine as normal hoplites. I read somewhere here or at the org that Syracusan hoplites may have been inaccurately portrayed, so who knows- they might even be able to fit under one generic hoplite unit.

I think comparing the Phalangites to Hoplites is a little unfair as there were important differences. Pzehtairoi were different than Kleuorchs because the former were proffesional troops, while the Kleuorchs put war secondary to their land. A reformed Phalanx IE Makedonias are a total change from earlier ones, mail armor, different nationalities added to the role, ect..


If I'm wrong anyone can feel free to correct me as I'm going purely off of memory.

[lenin96]

The only ones I could see being left in are Syracusan hoplites, and maybe Spartan hoplites. In the EB period Sparta was not very powerful, so why even have Spartan hoplites if they were such a minor force. Massilian hoplites seem like they coiuld be absorbed into the M2TW enigine as normal hoplites.

It's the Syracusan hoplites that were being considered for removal because of a lack of evidence of them being any differnent than normal hoplites.

Sparta may not have been as powerful as it once had, but its hoplites were distinct from other hoplites in look and renound as great fighters.

Massilian hoplites according to their unit description in EB1 were distinct in equipment and were a mix of hellenic and celtic influences and adapted to using celtic equipment.

[eddy_purpus]

Can we expect naked woman amaz0ns instead of bajed boy warriors ?

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[AndariusHaliusScipio]

Triarii will be removed, as Romans didn't live long enough to become Triarii. Equites will be removed, as everyone knows that horses came from America and were introduced by Colombus.

Hetairoi will stay, but be replaced with oliphaunt mounts.

Persian Immortals will be replaced with Orc Ninjas, and their officer will be a giant steroid-guzzled freak troll called an "Uber Immortal"

Eastern leaders will all be naked, oiled, and loaded with 50 kilograms of piercings.

Also, all swords will be replaced with walkee-talkies

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Joking!

[Severloh]

They are going to remove the roman legionaires, greek hoplites and cartaghinian elephants, nothing vital or important, though