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    Default Why didnt the GOP nominate this guy

    This is less of an election complaint... and more of a what could have been especially with the current states of the economy...

    The auto bailout, the massive spending increasing, borrowing from the Chinese, massive inflation, the "stimulous package"... all of this is going to make things worse..... tax and spend...and spend...and spend..... and spend and spend spend spend...then spend some more....this is typical of liberal economic ideology....maybe if this guy (see video) the man I supported in the past election had been elected we;d be approaching this in a different and (this is unlikely as it is government were talking about) common sense way

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    Yeah, I'm not sure. We just got screwed with McCain. Nothing we can do about it now. I have some comfort in the fact that I was always a Romney supporter so McCain's screw ups weren't so painful as I knew he was going to make some (like supporting the the Original stimulous package.

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    actually Mitt Romney was one of the perfect candidates to lead us in an economic crisis like we are in. I am surprised that he hasnt come into the spot light since he didnt get nomination.

    Business career

    After graduation, Romney remained in Massachusetts and went to work for the Boston Consulting Group, where he had interned during the summer of 1974.[10] From 1978 to 1984, Romney was a vice president of Bain & Company, Inc., another management consulting firm based in Boston. In 1984, Romney left Bain & Company to co-found a spin-off private equity investment firm, Bain Capital.[11] During the 14 years he headed the company, Bain Capital's average annual internal rate of return on realized investments was 113 percent,[12] making money primarily through leveraged buyouts.[13] He invested in or bought many well-known companies such as Staples, Brookstone, Domino's, Sealy Corporation and Sports Authority.[14]

    In 1990, Romney was asked to return to Bain & Company, which was facing financial collapse. As CEO, Romney managed an effort to restructure the firm's employee stock-ownership plan, real-estate deals and bank loans, while increasing fiscal transparency. Within a year, he had led Bain & Company through a highly successful turnaround and returned the firm to profitability without layoffs or partner defections.[12]

    Romney left Bain Capital in 1998 to head the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympic Games Organizing Committee.[15] He and his wife have a net worth of between 250 and 500 million USD.[16][17] , not including Romney's blind trust in the name of their children, which is valued at about $100 million.[18]

    Turning around the 2002 Winter Olympics

    Romney served as president and CEO of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games held in Salt Lake City. In 1999, before Romney was hired, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks. Plans were being made to scale back the games in order to compensate for the fiscal crisis.[19] The Games were also damaged by allegations of bribery involving top officials, including then Salt Lake Olympic Committee (SLOC) President and CEO Frank Joklik. Joklik and SLOC vice president Dave Johnson were forced to resign.[20]

    On February 11, 1999, Romney was hired as the new president and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.[21] Romney revamped the organization's leadership and policies, reduced budgets, and boosted fund raising. He also worked to ensure the safety of the Games following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 by coordinating a $300 million security budget.[22] Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up clearing a profit of $100 million, not counting the $224.5 million in security costs contributed by outside sources.[23][24]

    Romney contributed $1 million to the Olympics, and donated the $825,000 salary he earned as President and CEO to charity.[25] He wrote a book about his experience titled Turnaround: Crisis, Leadership, and the Olympic Games.[26]

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    You forget that Bush is still in charge, and his administration has presided and balloned this fiscal crisis we are now in. This is the victory of the Conservative agenda. 2 unwinnable wars where we get to throw precious tax dollars away, and a poor economic game plan on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    You forget that Bush is still in charge, and his administration has presided and balloned this fiscal crisis we are now in. This is the victory of the Conservative agenda. 2 unwinnable wars where we get to throw precious tax dollars away, and a poor economic game plan on top.
    Yeah, Bush has made a royal mess of things. I know he doesn't want the economy to tank, but hes going about it the wrong way.

    However, I don't agree that we are in 2 "unwinnable wars." Iraq is doing quite well (thanks to the surge) and I would never see us stop chasing Bin Laden after September 11, 2001. We can't just let him go.

    I really would have liked Thompson or Romney to win the GOP nomination. Ron Paul or Huckabee would have been decent too I guess, but I'd rather have the other 2.


    IMO, in general the "GOP" (by this I mean registered voters) care more about superficial things like:

    -skin color
    -name
    -stance on abortion
    -stance on gay marriage
    -guns
    -image
    -nominating conservative judges to reinforce their stances on abortion and gay marriage
    -being "liberal" the very word has become synonymous with "Satanic"; "Communist"; "Evil"

    I think "image" sums it all up, that's the only way I can imagine that a group of people could be willing to believe a veteran with a Purple Heart (John Kerry) was "soft."

    While a draft dodging fake cowboy could be believed to be "tough."

    I think the party being hijacked/kidnapped by religious fundamental zealots didn't help either.
    I guess Obama and the whole liberal left are Republicans, then.



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    How could I forget...any party/group of people who seriously thought Sarah Palin could've made a good executive on the national level...should have their heads examined in manner something like...oh I don't know...this:
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    I was going to vote for Fred before he dropped out.

    Which is why I feel we should have all our state primaries on the same day. No more of this dropping out before the rest of us get a say in who we want. The voters of Iowa shouldn't be able to narrow my choices down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by André Masséna View Post
    I was going to vote for Fred before he dropped out.

    Which is why I feel we should have all our state primaries on the same day. No more of this dropping out before the rest of us get a say in who we want. The voters of Iowa shouldn't be able to narrow my choices down.
    yep i too think that this is a great flaw of the system. The primary system of letting voters to choose the candidate is really great, but this sistem with different date for every state is lame and ruin it, the citizens of the last states to vote have worthless vote, while those of the first states to vote are hugely valuable.
    Time to make some reforms.
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    Because they are/were dumb as they were 8-years ago when they didn't nominate Senator McCain. Romney is also a Mormon, and some people don't like etc. Mormons. His father the senior Romney was once Govenor of Michigan and he was fairly decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christof139 View Post
    Because they are/were dumb as they were 8-years ago when they didn't nominate Senator McCain. Romney is also a Mormon, and some people don't like etc. Mormons. His father the senior Romney was once Govenor of Michigan and he was fairly decent.
    Romney was also a governor and isn't not voting for a Mormon just as bad as not voting for a Black person?

    And McCain was and still is a conservative odd ball in that he has so often agreed with Democrats that many of us didn't really consider him a Republican.

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    My parents seemed to really like romney.

    It's a shame the country doesn't have a crystal ball.

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    Fred Thompson did not give the system a chance to nominate him -- you need to be in the race to get the nomination.


    Also, the support is split when you have two or three similar candidates versus the Maverick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Fred Thompson did not give the system a chance to nominate him -- you need to be in the race to get the nomination.


    Also, the support is split when you have two or three similar candidates versus the Maverick.

    Mccain is to maverick as moon is to cheese.

    Both are lying of what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Rob View Post
    Mccain is to maverick as moon is to cheese.

    Both are lying of what they are.
    All I am saying is that Sen. McCain did a better job of positioning himself in a crowded field to win the nomination. The key to winning in any multiple candidate race is to get the voters to perceive you as being unique and to sell the voters on the idea that the others are all the same. Sen. McCain did his with the "Maverick" label. Whether this label is accurate or not is not even a point worth considering now after the race is over.
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    He used to be.

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    Time to make some reforms.
    It is a system that is almost impossible to reform. It makes EU treaties look like childsplay. There are several parties that all must agree...

    1.) 108 State/Territorial Party Commitee's who set the rules
    2.) 54 State/Territotial Governments who run the elections/caucuses
    3.) 2 National Party Commitees who try to set the rules for states (and fail)
    4.) 20 or so top party officials who can effectivly quash reform (Kennedy, Clinton, Obama (as of now), Dean and their republican counterpart)

    The other option outside of the current party system is Constitutional reform that de-privatizes the parties (which may be constitutionally inconsistant with the 1st amendment).

    1.) US Senate, House and President
    2.) 2/3 of the 50 State legislatures.
    3.) The Supreme Court


    Theres just no easy way to change the system. As of right now, the state governments and party commitee's simply do whatever they want to, and as we found out last year, nobody has much umbrella control over them
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    Besides -- you will find a majority of the electorate that are party members are happy with the current system. If you are not a party member -- you do not really have a right to complain about how the process works. Private organizations, right of assembly, right of speech, etc. are all good reasons for the current system to exist.

    If you want reform, rip out all of the restrictions on money and replace with a simple and clear system of filing donations with a sufficient period prior to spending. Eliminate loans to the campaigns and require all services to be purchased with payment first.

    If US Senate candidate X wants to take a huge donation for Industry Y or Union Z -- let the voters know and see what happens. Or allow all donations to be from real humans and dispense with corporate entities altogether.
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    Like it or not, John McCain was the only candidate who really stood a chance of winning in 2008's political climate. Thompson may be a hero to conservatives, but that wasn't going to get him elected with so much anti-Bush hatred and pro-Obama momentum. McCain lost because he was seen as too Republican, not too moderate.
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    Well one reason Thompson didn't do so well was because of the media. He didn't get much coverage and he was reported as being lazy. Running for the presidency requires you to be everything but lazy. At the debates Thompson didn't show himself to be unique at all. In my eyes, Ron Paul was about the only one out of the Republicans who offered something different.

    There is no way Romney could have won the election. Him being a Mormon may not bother you all, but for a good part of America it does. I am not going to go into a long discussion about Mormonism, but if you explain the religion to an average christian he will be somewhat put off by it.( I know my father was and immediately said that if Romney got the nomination he would not be voting republican.)

    I think it would had been interesting to have seen Ron Paul get the nomination. I bet Obama would had got creamed in the debates and the election results would had been closer.

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