Marian apparitions?

[General David]

What do you think about Marian apparitions?


Marian apparitions refer to events in which the Virgin Mary is purported to have supernaturally appeared to one or more persons, typically but not always Christians, often Catholics. They are often given names based on the town in which they were reported, or on the soubriquet which was given to Mary on the occasion of the apparition. They have been interpreted both as psychological (pareidolia) and religious phenomena. Apparitions sometimes recur at the same site over an extended period of time. Marian apparitions sometimes involve statues or images of Mary; of particular note are weeping statues, witnessed as producing tears.

from Wikipedia

There were numerous instances during history, when the Virgin Mary appeared, and communicated with human beings. The first recorded Marian apparition happened during the 3rd century, in Asia Minor. Another apparition was the one that a Mexican aborigin saw... In another apparition, Mary reveals or predicts certain things, such as the assassination attempt of Jean-Paul II. During later apparitions, Mary gives a much darker message...

Here's the pic of Mary on a Coptic church in Zeitun, Egypt.



Here's what Wikipedia says about it:
This photograph is claimed to show an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Zeitoun, Egypt in 1968. It was allegedly witnessed by Christians, Muslims and President Abdul Nasser, as well as captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparitions

Last year, a Muslim janitor from Montreal saw some sort of oil dripping from a painting of Mary... Similar to this:



But as usual, people here hardly believed it.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Of course they weren't believed. It's idiocy. Sometimes a few people have hallucinations. If you happen to be very, very religious, as you would be if you lived in a past age where religion was unquestioned, then if you happen to one of the few people who have hallucinations then it will be about something you obsess over, like the Virgin Mary. And far more often even than this, people make up lies to get attention, as you very well might if you were some peasant or other in a medieval age where peasants were utterly powerless and irrelevant.

[General David]

Yes, but what about, for example, the apparition on the Coptic Church? It wasn't only a few who saw it... Many, including the president of Egypt saw it.

Only a small percentage of apparitions were revealed. The rest were left hidden because they weren't realistic.

Another known apparition -- but this time, of other Saints -- was Joan of Arc's.

[Dead Lurker]

I went on a pilgrimage to Mejagorie (sp?) where apparently the apparitions happened. And the original kids who saw the apparations are no sort of prophets.

Theres supposed to be some kind of message delivered at the a hill everyweek on a certain day and time. I was there with a big crowd (it was packed) on the hill during that time waiting for the apparation. The was a bug meteorite that streaked in the sky. The timing made it dramatic.

The intrepretation of the message for that week, was to enjoy life or something similar. It was weird because its ussually a dire warning as a message. God must love me. :grin

As a deist (sort of) I find it heretical to worship Jesus and Mary like God. So I do find it disturbing how the Catholics idolize them.

The prophets are now old. And apparently they will be sort of the last prophets so apparently the end of the world is coming.

(Thats how I spent my vacation to Europe :sad )

[Portuguese Rebel]

I'm portuguese so i'm fed up with marian apparitions to the eye balls. I don't know if you guys are aware of the sheer size of the "Fatima" phenomena. Every year Portugal receives millions (and i'm not exagerating) of people to visit the place where the "holy virgin" is supposed to have appeared to 3 kid shepards. The so called miracles at the time were seen only by some of the mob present. After that the dictatorial goverment starting in 1926 took the chance to fuel the legend because it was favourable for their favourite sentence: "God, Motherland, Family".

Now the devotion to the "virgin Mary" is widespread and every nut in Australia thinks he sees the virgin in each piss stain on the subway.

[Ardeur]

Yes, but what about, for example, the apparition on the Coptic Church? It wasn't only a few who saw it... Many, including the president of Egypt saw it.

Only a small percentage of apparitions were revealed. The rest were left hidden because they weren't realistic.

Another known apparition -- but this time, of other Saints -- was Joan of Arc's.

Personally, I think if an apparition does come to someone, odds are it is a demon, rather than a messenger from above. Think about it, what do the Marian apparitions result in? More and more people worshipping Mary, which is idolatry, which means whatever this apparition is, it can't be from God, as He wouldn't do something to cause His people to sin. So there are 2 other options. 1. and I think this is most commonly the case, the person seeing the apparition is hallucinating, or looking too much into things (Virgin Mary in the grilled cheese sandwich anyone?), or 2. a demon is manifesting itself to appear like what the people think the Virgin Mary looked like, causing the majority of the people to commit idolatry, which accomplishes the goal of the demons, which is to separate people from God.

[Portuguese Rebel]

How does praying to jesus mother separates people from god? For me its all bull anyway but i can't see the connection.

[Ardeur]

Originally posted by Portuguese Rebel@May 16 2005, 06:31 PM
How does praying to jesus mother separates people from god? For me its all bull anyway but i can't see the connection.

It's simple. By praying to Mary, you elevate her to deity. No where in Scripture does it say that Mary intercedes for us or hears our prayers. The Bible makes it clear that the one who intercedes for us is Jesus. When Jesus taught the disciples how to pray, he instructed us to pray to the Father. Therefore, praying to Mary is against Scriptural design for prayer. Again, it elevates her to deity, which is also know as idolatry.

[Boskie43]

This is not to start a fight, but brodiseus, if u are a catholic, i would have to say you sound like a typical american catholic; ignorant of church teaching and making it sound however you want it rather than what is taught about it. Otherwise, if not catholic, i would totally give you a benefit of the doubt in saying you were misinformed somewhere down the road.

When one prays to Mary, your not making her a deity. All you are asking for is the intercession of her on your/or anothers behalf. It is no different than praying for a saint to intercede on one's behalf. This does not make them a god, or even attempt to place them above the God. It is asking for help on a plane outside of the one we live in.

And your interpretation of what the Bible makes clear is also significantly messed up. The bible makes many references to those who have died being able to intercede on anothers behalf. Abraham is a great example. He has been prayed to for generations upon generations. And this is not only by Catholics, but also those of the jewish and islamic faiths as well. Does that make them wrong to pray for help¿

Also, Jesus taught the disciples not only to pray to God for advice and help, but also to others. The transfiguration on the mount is a great example of that; Jesus brought his followers along to show them this. Both Elijah and Moses came and talked with Jesus.

If your catholic you should know that the Apostolic Creed, by far the most important prayer in the faith next to the Our Father, asks for the intercession of the saints by being in communion with them.

And also, there is more to scripture than just what is in the bible. There are more recognized gospels (not the heretical ones, but the legit ones by the churches point of view) that are considered scrpiture. Some of those directly state Mary being brought straight to heaven for her being sinless. Mary is the mother of God incarnate. She is in heaven. The saints are in heaven. We pray to the saints on the same basis that we pray for Mary to help on our behalfs.

So you are correct Portugese Rebel, there is no connection. Praying to Mary doesn't seperate you from God.

And i don't even want to get into what you said about the aparations...

[JosephBReyes]

Shalom + Peace

What's Your Opinion:

How does one distinguish between
Catholic VISIONARIES vs The Two Witness of REVELATIONS CHAPTER 11

"ITS TIME TO LET MY CHILDREN HEAR MY WORDS
IT'S TIME TO TOUCH THE HEARTS OF MANY
NOT ALL WILL LISTEN NOT ALL WILL HEAR
BUT FOR THOSE WHO LISTEN AND THOSE WHO HEAR
GOD'S WORD WILL SPREAD AND GOD'S CHILDREN WILL COME
BRING MY CHILDREN HOME TO ME
TO BUILD A KINGDOM OF LOVE AND SERENITY"
Our Blessed Mother

The Interpretation

To Build A Kingdom of Peace on earth as it is in Heaven

Beginning with God's Chosen People of Israel

At Axum, Ethiopia
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The Resting Place
Of
The One True Ark
of
The Covenant
of
Israel

To The US CARDINALS, BISHOPS and US SYNAGOGUES:

RE: The First Three of The Seven Sequence of Events - The Jewish and The Catholics Faith United In Prayer

1) When you see a NIGHT ILLUMINATED by an UNKNOWN LIGHT, know that this is the great sign given to you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father." Our Lady Of Fatima

2) The Great Earthquake in Three Continents Simultaneously - Africa and Two Other Continents

3) The Warning - Catholics and The Rapture - Non-Catholics (The Rapture is The Warning)

Revelation
Chapter 12

1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman 2 clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
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She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. 3
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Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, 4 with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.
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Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.
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She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
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The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.
The Desert Prepared by God is Axum, Ethiopia, The Resting Place of The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel. This is the continuation when The Voices of Heaven (Apparitions, Stigmata, Locutions etc... ) ceases throughout The World. All will begin.

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The Resting Place of The One True Ark of The Covenant of Israel - The True Presence and THE SEAT OF GOD ALMIGHTY on earth as it is in Heaven

- The Ark guarded by one man of True Faith and Purity of Heart, venerated by the Falashas like that of the Old... THE POWER OF THE ARK BROUGHT DOWN THE WALLS OF JERICHO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE POWER OF THE ARK OF YESTERDAY of TODAY - ACCORDING TO JEWISH BELIEFS ONE MUST HAVE THE FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD WITHIN THE HEARTS SOUL AND MIND or PERISH IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ARK.

Revelation
Chapter 11

THE CALL BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL OF YESTERDAY IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE CALL OF TODAY - THE FINAL EXODUS OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL to Axum, Ethiopia WILL SOON BEGIN !

1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff and I was told, "Come and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who are worshiping in it.
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But exclude the outer court 2 of the temple; do not measure it, for it has been handed over to the Gentiles, who will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
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I will commission my two witnesses 3 to prophesy for those twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth."
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These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands 4 that stand before the Lord of the earth.
"The Two Witnesses will be The New Guardian of The Old and The New Ark of The Covenant on earth as it is in Heaven"


THE VOICE and THE CALL BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL !
1) The First Earthquake (Africa) - The Catholic Church to announce to God's Chosen Peoples of Israel to come in faith and the love of God to Axum, Ethiopia.

2) The Second Earthquake (Africa) - Prepare the way for the God of Israel come down from Heaven,

3) The Third Earthquake - The Great Earthquake in Three Continents Simultaneously - (Africa and Two Other Continents, Part of The Seven Sequence of Events ).


1) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ! VIOLATES THE FIRST COMMANDMENT - THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME

2) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! STOP VENERATING THE WAILING WALL MADE OF STONE BY HUMAN HANDS - FOR I AM A JEALOUS GOD

3) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! VENERATE THE ONE TRUE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF ISEAEL - THE TRUE PRESENCE OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

4) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! PREPARE THE WAY FOR THE GOD OF ISRAEL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!

5) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! COME IN FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD WITHIN YOUR HEARTS SOUL AND MIND TO AXUM, ETHIOPIA

6) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! ITS TIME TO BUILD THE THIRD TEMPLE OF THE TRUE FAITH AND THE LOVE OF GOD- in OUR HEARTS SOULAND MINDS

7) GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL! I AM WHO I AM WILL SOON BE AMONGST YOU !

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ALL WILL BE ACCOMPLISEHD BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
THE THIRD PERSON OF THE MOST HOLY AND BLESSED TRINITY
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Through
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The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal, and Medjugorje
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HEAVENS WEAPONS OF PEACE AND DESTRUCTION
As Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate
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In Preparation
For THE MASS WAVE OF CONVERSION OF HUMANITY
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**** SUMMARY **

Below are the summary of events I have posted within this forum after The Fifth Marian Dogma is announced to the world, The Blessed Virgin Mary as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate

The True Faith and The Love of God within my heart soul and mind

Catholic:
One God, Three Person
The New Ark, The Virgin Mary
Prophecies of the BVM (Apparitions, Stigmata, Locutions)
The Signs: Earthquakes, Strange Lights will Illuminate the night skies

Jewish:
One God
The Ark of The Covenant (GOD)
The Pilgrimage to Axum, Ethiopia vs. The Wailing Wall
The Earthquakes

EQUALS
The Spiritual BOND between The Jewish and Catholic Faiths UNITED in PRAYER in The Presence of The One True Ark of the Covenant, THE SEAT of THE Most Holy and Blessed Trinity on earth as it is in Heaven

We will Shake the Catholic church to its Foundation in Faith and By The Love of God within our hearts soul and mind, The Teachings of Homosexulaity by The Catholic Church has been in is in error. God does not love the catholic any less for its misinterpretation by man

FOLLOWED BY:
The anti-christ
The Abomination of Desolation of The Holy Eucharist by the AC - part II To Follow
The Death and Resurrection of The Two Witnesses

I am born and baptized in The Catholic Faith. I know and understand what I have written to convey to The US Cardinals and Bishops, may seem out of the norm, but some are not of The Catholic teachings, but that of the Jewish Faith and Traditions similar to the Catholic Faith. The Jewish faith is in The Ark (The Presence of God Almighty) and The Catholics is The Eucharist, The Presence of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Joseph B. Reyes
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MY WILL
I love and accept God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit
As The Most Blessed Trinity to Whom I submit my human will to live forever
In Divine Will together with Our Blessed Mother, all Angels and Saints in Heaven
Amen
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God Our Father
Please send us holy priests
All for the Sacred and Eucharistic Heart of Jesus
All for the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary
In Union with St. Joseph
Amen
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Prayer to The Holy Spirit
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father
Send now Your Spirit over the earth
Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of all nations
That they may be preserved from degeneration, disaster and war
May The Lady of All Nations, The Blessed Virgin Mary, be our advocate.
Amen
The Lady of All Nations to Ida Peerdeman
http://www.de-vrouwe.net/english/index.html
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[JosephBReyes]

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The reason why the world has many Denominations/Faith
Is because of The Different interpreation by MAN of The Bible
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Those who describes APPARITIONS from HEAVEN are coming from
The evil one committs BLASPHEMY against The Power and The Works
Of The Holy Spirit, The Third Person of The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity
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All will be corrected by The Power and The Works
Of The Holy Spirit which comes from God The Father and The Son
Through The Blessed Virgin Mary of Fatima, Garabandal and Medjugorje
Heavens Weapons of Peace and Desstruction in Preparation
For The Mass Wave of Conversion of HUMANITY
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[Dayman]

They're not "real".

When one prays to Mary, your not making her a deity. All you are asking for is the intercession of her on your/or anothers behalf. It is no different than praying for a saint to intercede on one's behalf. This does not make them a god, or even attempt to place them above the God. It is asking for help on a plane outside of the one we live in.

Nowhere does the Bible say to pray to anyone but God.

BTW, do you have any evidence of this "plane"?

I have a hard time taking on faith what random people tell me.

Last year, a Muslim janitor from Montreal saw some sort of oil dripping from a painting of Mary... Similar to this:

What, like oil dripping from an oil painting?

JosephBReyes you mind contributing instead of spamming copypasta that adds nothing to a discussion?

[JosephBReyes]

Hi Boeing and Readers

Sorry, but this is not a spam/copy paste
These are words of The True Faith and The Love of God
I myself conveyed to the US Cardinals, Bishops and US Synagogues
Since December 1994 to Present

Plus it's a valid question
What is the difference or how do you distingush between Catholic Visionaries vs. The Two Witnesses of Revelations Chapter 11?

Peace +

They're not "real".

Nowhere does the Bible say to pray to anyone but God.
BTW, do you have any evidence of this "plane"?
I have a hard time taking on faith what random people tell me.

What, like oil dripping from an oil painting?

JosephBReyes you mind contributing instead of spamming copypasta that adds nothing to a discussion?

[Cluny the Scourge]

Plus it's a valid question
What is the difference or how do you distingush between Catholic Visionaries vs. The Two Witnesses of Revelations Chapter 11?

The witnesses of revelations were whacked out of their heads on magic mushrooms. Catholic visionaries simply make it up either for attention or because they so desperately want it that they induce hallucinatory hysteria.

And this thread is fricking 3 years old. Man, it's scary to see a post from myself from 3 years ago. That could make me despair if I weren't such a hard-assed invincible warrior. My life hasn't moved on in the slightest in 3 years.

[Chaigidel]

where the hell did joseph b reyes the local prophet of the marian apparitions come from?-- is this a joke?

[JosephBReyes]

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If you feel and believe
THE EARTHQUAKES of The Continent of Africa is a joke
And that many will die and many will mourn their love ones loss
Please think about what you are saying
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If its any consolation in humor
Think of the Movie
Indiana Jones
"Raiders of The Lost Ark"
And take it from there to what
I have conveyed to
The US Cardinal, Bishops and US Synagogues
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where the hell did joseph b reyes the local prophet of the marian apparitions come from?-- is this a joke?

[Dayman]

Hi Boeing and Readers

Sorry, but this is not a spam/copy paste
These are words of The True Faith and The Love of God
I myself conveyed to the US Cardinals, Bishops and US Synagogues
Since December 1994 to Present

Plus it's a valid question
What is the difference or how do you distingush between Catholic Visionaries vs. The Two Witnesses of Revelations Chapter 11?

Peace +

I'm sorry, your post was incredibly hard to read.
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These are words of The True Faith and The Love of God

Right, which region owns the copyright to "The One True Faith©" these days?

What is the difference or how do you distingush between Catholic Visionaries vs. The Two Witnesses of Revelations Chapter 11?

Perhaps you should know that Revelations is not to be taken literally. Learn a bit about the Bible before you talk about it.

Oh, and if you're Catholic, you should of been taught that before you start suggesting things to them.

[JosephBReyes]

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Watch for The Signs of The Tmes
For example
The Continent of Africa will shake
By means of EARTHQUAKES
This is The Voice of I AM who sent me
To profess The True Faith and The Love of God
within our hearts soul and mind
The Holy Roman Catholic Faith
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Beginning with God's Chosen Peoples of ISrael
At Axum, Ethiopia The Resting Place of The One True Ark
of The Covenant of Israel The Presence and The SEAT of God
The Most Holy and Blessed Trinity on Earth as it is in Heaven
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[scottishranger]

This thread is 3 years old, and really has no ongoing conversation except for the posts of one person...and even then I am confused

closed?