how to remove pikemen's secondary weapon?

[Pfundner]

Ive heard pikemen are a lot better when their secondary weapons are removed.. how do you do this>

[Owain Glyndŵr]

I'd recommend asking the modding forum... though before that I'd recommend trying to play fairly. Pikemen can be used effectively without making them so unrealistic. Check my thread in Battle Planning.

[Mikiez]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...condary+weapon

searched removing pikeman secondary weapon, took 2 sec

[StalkAndStrike]

NO just play legit! why did u buy the game if you end up changing everything just so you can be better lol

[Mikiez]

NO just play legit! why did u buy the game if you end up changing everything just so you can be better lol

Pike men should only use their pike, because they break rank too easily and seince they have no armor makes them useless.

[StalkAndStrike]

Pike men should only use their pike, because they break rank too easily and seince they have no armor makes them useless.

Well in medeval times their pikes could only stop a single man than It broke!, they are used for halting the blunt of charges, and not prolonged melee, have better troops fromed up closley behind to cut down any survivors and remfor your pike behinde after contact. This wokrs and is very effective in dealing with massed heavy cavalry! the only real threat in the game

[MC_RIBS]

Back in those days if the pike formation broke they all died, the whole point in using pikes is to use them as an organised mass force. It was far too expensive in those days to give everyone 2 weapons, especially for commoners who were the ones filling up the pikmen ranks.

[Traitorfish]

Well in medeval times their pikes could only stop a single man than It broke!, they are used for halting the blunt of charges, and not prolonged melee

Pike formations were not just some sort of anti-cavalry speed-bump, they made up the backbone of several medieval armies- notably the Scots, Flemmish and Swiss- and by the 16th century had become the dominant infantry type throughout Europe. Defensively, they were intended to hold their own against both cavalry and infantry, and offensively, they were expected to be able to push back opposing pike and simply steamroller over other infantry types, something at which they were, in fact, often more effective than when acting defensively. They were not the ideal weapon for a prolonged melee, I'll grant you, and were indeed backed up with halbadiers or swordsmen, but that doesn't mean they were as flimsy as you imply.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

+Rep to you, Traitorfish.

And indeed, pikes are actually more effective than you'd think as long as they're well, supported. consider fielding a support line of halberdiers to dispatch enemies who get too close to the pikemen.

[Hungary Horace]

So are we saying that Pikeman can be used well without the bug fix as I used them on a bridge battle and after about 1-2 secs - they all pulled out swords, even the ones in the rear ranks - now I'm sorry if people don't agree but that is just plain wank.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

Don't listen to those who want to play the game as it is designed . The game should be fun and Pikemen will become really fun to play once those BBQ sticks have been removed. Simply copy the following line over their secondary weapon in the EDU (export_descr_unit)

stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1

Have fun.

[Naja]

Note that once you remove the swords, pikemen become obscenely powerful. Like the Greek phalanxes from RTW.

You may want to consider giving them weaker defense stats, for example.

[StalkAndStrike]

aaaaaaaaarrrrghhh....haha I am almost prone to trying them, but I am no dedicated to my none-rubbish-modding lifestyle! I wont complain but I wont try it anytime soon, I dont hvae the patience for slow-moving pikeman anyway!

[Condottiere SOG]

They are good as long as the enemy is in front of them. Otherwise they get slaughtered faster than if they had swords. I can understand it if you use Vanilla Battle AIs. But don't use an AI that has great flanking codes.