Cyprus

[Atatürk]

As some of you may or may not already know, the small, yet very importantly strategic island of Cyprus is shared between three countries. Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom. These three countries have been politically battling it out to gain total domination of the whole island, not so much Britain, but Greece and Turkey. About 20 years ago Turkey invaded the northern half of Cyprus, and at present they have about 40,000 troops stationed on the island.

But who do you think should actually own Cyprus?

I'll go first: Turkey.

[finneys13]

How about the people that live there?

[Atatürk]

How about the people that live there?

Oh what, you mean people actually live there!?

Damn, well I can't believe I forgot that humans still lived on islands.

Now, being more serious...:hmmm:

...The population of Cyprus is Greek and Turkish, pretty much half and half but probably slightly more Greeks. Now that's out of the way.

But who cares if the whole islands populations was Greek, Serbian, Azerbaijani, English, Andorran, etc. Who cares? The Ottoman Empire ruled many countries which didn't only contain Turks. At the end of the day whoever lives there will follow the rules of their new rulers. You might not agree, but hey......that's life.

I mean, when you play Total War as the English do you refuse to invade France as not enough English people live there to begin with?

[rusina]

I mean, when you play Total War as the English do you refuse to invade France as not enough English people live there to begin with?

You can also exterminate cities in TW, but in real life it doesn't work that way. I think that every people who want independence should gain it.

Edit.

No, the majority of Turkish people hate Greeks. They see the Greeks as their number one enemy, although I personally think we have other more important enemies.

What the ? I think you should stay in Youtube.

[Hobbes]

Oh what, you mean people actually live there!?

Damn, well I can't believe I forgot that humans still lived on islands.

Now, being more serious...:hmmm:

...The population of Cyprus is Greek and Turkish, pretty much half and half but probably slightly more Greeks. Now that's out of the way.

But who cares if the whole islands populations was Greek, Serbian, Azerbaijani, English, Andorran, etc. Who cares? The Ottoman Empire ruled many countries which didn't only contain Turks. At the end of the day whoever lives there will follow the rules of their new rulers. You might not agree, but hey......that's life.

I mean, when you play Total War as the English do you refuse to invade France as not enough English people live there to begin with?

So you want Turkey to adopt a happy-go-conquer spirit again? Imperialism, is not the only way, you know.

[neoptolemos]

How about the people that live there?

Exactly to Cypriots,no matter their ethnic background

[Ragabash]

Moved to Political Academy.

[Mythos]

...The population of Cyprus is Greek and Turkish, pretty much half and half but probably slightly more Greeks. Now that's out of the way.

Since when 76%/24% is half and half? That's right. 76% of the island's population is Greek Cypriot and the rest is 10% Turkish Cypriot and 14% other. The majority of this 14% includes about 150000 Turkish citizens which the Turkish occupation authority moved from Anatolia in an effort to control the Turkish Cypriots most of which hate those Anatolians, since the massive influx of people with the absolute corruption in the north along with the destruction of the TC economy forced almost half the TC population to move to Europe. In fact this is what makes the official excuse of Turkey for invading the sovereign Republic of Cyprus, "peacekeeping operation to protect the TCs", a complete farce.

And now you come here saying that Cyprus should go to Turkey? Get this disgusting propaganda out of the site.

[Atatürk]

Since when 76%/24% is half and half? That's right. 76% of the island's population is Greek Cypriot and the rest is 10% Turkish Cypriot and 14% other. The majority of this 14% includes about 150000 Turkish citizens which the Turkish occupation authority moved from Anatolia in an effort to control the Turkish Cypriots most of which hate those Anatolians, since the massive influx of people with the absolute corruption in the north along with the destruction of the TC economy forced almost half the TC population to move to Europe. In fact this is what makes the official excuse of Turkey for invading the sovereign Republic of Cyprus, "peacekeeping operation to protect the TCs", a complete farce.

And now you come here saying that Cyprus should go to Turkey? Get this disgusting propaganda out of the site.

The Turkish Cypriots were suffering in Cyprus before the Turks invaded the North. There was a humanitarian crisis going on, Turkey had a responsibility to defend its people.

Do not advocate genocide.

[Erwin Rommel]

This isn't propaganda. This is my personal opinion which I am sure I'm allowed to express.

One question, I'm just curious..........whats you're opinion on the Armenian Genocide.

[Don in the North]

Alexander the great took TOTAL control of that island fair and square. it should go to the greeks that already live there

[Atatürk]

Alexander the great took TOTAL control of that island fair and square. it should go to the greeks that already live there

Yes, but Alexander is nothing but dust.

The Ottomans also took total control of that island fair and square, it should go to the Turks.

Judging by how a few Cypriots almost destroyed the Kyreneia landing, while THK had air dominance (not to mention bombing the ships of the Turkish navy) which Greece having a single HQ battalion on the island instead of a mechanised division as it would have if the junta had not tried to antagonise Makarios and coup him, I would doubt that. In fact, if Greece did get into the war you would be toasted. The incompetence of the Turkish Armed Forces in the invasion of Cyprus was staggering. You were fighting militias with every advantage on your side yet you almost lost.



And that was exactly what Turkey wanted. It wanted it so much that it supplied the TC terrorists like Dektash with weapons so the massacres could continue, knowing that as a minority the TCs would never get the upper hand, giving them the excuse they needed to invade Cyprus. And this is proven by the fact that it did not try to find a solution to the problem, instead it just stationed enough troops there to be able to take Cyprus out of the equation in case of a war with Greece. Cut the bull. It was in Turkish national interests to invade Cyprus and it did not give a rat's ass about the TCs. Why would it move 150000 Anatolian Turks in Cyprus if not to keep a tight lease on the TCs? Life in the north became worse since the occupation.



This is propaganda and you know it. You don't know about Cyprus as I have proved with the data on population in my first post, something that you conviently ignored.



Nice to see what you are one of those people that are considered the shame of humanity.



Cyprus was populated by Greeks for a thousand years before Alexander.

Turkey would be toasted if Greece got involved in the war, are you having a laugh?

Turkey's Army is the 10th most powerful in the world and is a major regional power. Greece are nothing, it makes me laugh just thinking about how militarily pathetic they are now.

[Don in the North]

Yes, but Alexander is nothing but dust.

The Ottomans also took total control of that island fair and square, it should go to the Turks.

thats true, unless he was mummified. that would be awesome.

although i must digress, if the ottomans took complete control, why are/were there still greeks living on the island

[Atatürk]

thats true, unless he was mummified. that would be awesome.

although i must digress, if the ottomans took complete control, why are/were there still greeks living on the island

I'm glad you asked that question. This is one of my favourite bits.

When the Ottoman's ruled Eastern Europe, Arabia, Asia Minor, North Africa etc. it was very cosmopolitan. The races were all treated equally like Turks, much to the frustration of Ataturk.

"One of the successes of the social structure of the Ottoman Empire was the unity that it brought about among its highly varied populations through an organization named as millets. The Millets were the major religious groups that were allowed to establish their own communities under Ottoman rule. The Millets were established by retaining their own religious laws, traditions, and language under the general protection of the sultan. Plurality was the key to the longevity of the Empire. As early as the reign of Mehmed II, extensive rights were granted to Phanariot Greeks, and Jews were invited to settle in Ottoman territory. Ultimately, the Ottoman Empire's relatively high degree of tolerance for ethnic differences proved to be one of its greatest strengths in integrating the new regions but this non-assimilative policy became a weakness after the rise of nationalism. The dissolution of the Empire based on ethnic differentiation (balkanization) brought the final end which the failed Ottomanism among the citizens and participatory politics of the first or the constitutional Era had successfully addressed."

That's just taken from wikipedia.

A rebellion and Revolution are the same thing. Both declaring independance, from corrupt rulers.

Yes, you're right.

[Mythos]

And let's face it, an invasion of Cyprus would be complete within less than a day. Plus it will be expanding the Turkish Empire.

Judging by how a few Cypriots almost destroyed the Kyreneia landing, while THK had air dominance (not to mention bombing the ships of the Turkish navy) which Greece having a single HQ battalion on the island instead of a mechanised division as it would have if the junta had not tried to antagonise Makarios and coup him, I would doubt that. In fact, if Greece did get into the war you would be toasted. The incompetence of the Turkish Armed Forces in the invasion of Cyprus was staggering. You were fighting militias with every advantage on your side yet you almost lost.

The Turkish Cypriots were suffering in Cyprus before the Turks invaded the North

And that was exactly what Turkey wanted. It wanted it so much that it supplied the TC terrorists like Dektash with weapons so the massacres could continue, knowing that as a minority the TCs would never get the upper hand, giving them the excuse they needed to invade Cyprus. And this is proven by the fact that it did not try to find a solution to the problem, instead it just stationed enough troops there to be able to take Cyprus out of the equation in case of a war with Greece. Cut the bull. It was in Turkish national interests to invade Cyprus and it did not give a rat's ass about the TCs. Why would it move 150000 Anatolian Turks in Cyprus if not to keep a tight lease on the TCs? Life in the north became worse since the occupation.

This isn't propaganda. This is my personal opinion which I am sure I'm allowed to express.

This is propaganda and you know it. You don't know about Cyprus as I have proved with the data on population in my first post, something that you convieniently ignored.

exterminate the Greek population

Nice to see what you are one of those people that are considered the shame of humanity.

Alexander took TOTAL control of that island fair and square. it should go to the greeks that already live there

Cyprus was populated by Greeks for a thousand years before Alexander.

[Mythos]

Turkey would be toasted if Greece got involved in the war, are you having a laugh?

Turkey's Army is the 10th most powerful in the world and is a major regional power. Greece are nothing, it makes me laugh just thinking about how militarily pathetic they are now.

I was talking about 1974. We sent a single battalion of SOF and you lost the most strategic place in Cyprus, the Nicosia airport. I think you are about 15 and totally brainwashed by the crap they teach you in Turkey. If Greece entered the war in 1974 you would be toasted. THK was focused on Cyprus. So was most of the landing crafts. So were most of the paras. And back then, the Greek navy was light years ahead of the Turkish one.

As for today, if I had a penny everytime I heard someone talking about how Turkey will defeat Greece any day in a war, I would be rich. Yet, in the most recent incident where Greece was ready for war (the Imia incident in 1996) Ciller was calling Clinton and begging him to stop the war. By the way, think about your economy. How are you going to finance the war? With Yeni Liras borrowed from the IMF?

Yes, but Alexander is nothing but dust.

So are the Ottomans. Grow up.

[Atatürk]

By the way, think about your economy. How are you going to finance the war? With Yeni Liras borrowed from the IMF?

Our economy is predicted to be in the top 10 by 2050. And our military is very heavily funded, unlike poor and tiny Greece.

[Mythos]

Our economy is predicted to be in the top 10 by 2050. And our military is very heavily funded, unlike poor and tiny Greece.

Your military is heavily funded, as in N. Korea. That is, at the expense of the people. But then again, when you make everyone around you your enemy, it is to be expected. And you are paying for this dearly. How many new loans is Erdogan getting from the IMF this year? As for poor and tiny Greece, I have one thing to say. Everytime you see a Greek in a Turkish serial, he is filthy rich. I guess that shows how the Turkish people view the Greeks. As richer than them. And guess what: they are. Turkey has 7 times more population than Greece, yet it has the same amount of budget income.

[Juicemisbruk]

Turkish people don't look up to Greeks as rich. Turkish people spit on the Greeks, they hire Greeks to clip their toe nails.

Omg, please ban him...

[Xan]

But who do you think should actually own Cyprus?

Isn`T Cyprus a separate country ?

I believe it shud be and that Turkish occupation shud be ended.