Confederation of Israel and Palestine

[Farnan]

I have an idea, instead of a two state solution, how about a Federal state solution?

Here is how it will work:

The state would be divided into three districts: Palestine, Israel and Jerusalem. Each district will have its own legislative body which will have near complete control over all matters restricted to that district. Human Rights and non-discrimination will be guaranteed though.

The Federal government will be made up of a Senate with 20 members from each district (Jerusalem will guarantee 5 spots for Palestinians, 5 spots for Israelis and 1 spot for Christians). This Senate will decide foreign policy and resolve disputes between districts. The Executive body will be made up of a Palestinian Prime Minister and an Israeli President, both possessing veto power.

What do you think of this?

[Ataegina]

I have an idea, instead of a two state solution, how about a Federal state solution?

Here is how it will work:

The state would be divided into three districts: Palestine, Israel and Jerusalem. Each district will have its own legislative body which will have near complete control over all matters restricted to that district. Human Rights and non-discrimination will be guaranteed though.

The Federal government will be made up of a Senate with 20 members from each district (Jerusalem will guarantee 5 spots for Palestinians, 5 spots for Israelis and 1 spot for Christians). This Senate will decide foreign policy and resolve disputes between districts. The Executive body will be made up of a Palestinian Prime Minister and an Israeli President, both possessing veto power.

What do you think of this?

would be a good solution for the conflict and bring peace, but i think lebannon have some similar like neither christians neither muslims can hold president-prime minister, at same time. balance of power :hmmm:

[Phileas Fogg]

It wouldn't work. Tensions are too high.

[Каие]

Sorry Farnan, but a one state solution has been completely rejected by both sides. The Israelis want to remain a Jewish a majority and therefore would never except an equal Arab number which is what the 1 state solution calls for, and the Arabs want their independence, nothing less.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Isn't this the same as how the UN decreed the Israeli-palaestinian state should be back in the 60's or something?

[Heinz Guderian]

Palestinian women have more babies than Israeli women. This one fact terrifies the Israelis and puts paid to integration.

[Farnan]

Sorry Farnan, but a one state solution has been completely rejected by both sides. The Israelis want to remain a Jewish a majority and therefore would never except an equal Arab number which is what the 1 state solution calls for, and the Arabs want their independence, nothing less.

Basically this does give the Arabs their own state, only united for foreign policy. And no matter how many Palestinians there are they still won't be able to dictate how the Israelis should live or foreign policy (or vice versa)

[MaximiIian]

Isn't this the same as how the UN decreed the Israeli-palaestinian state should be back in the 60's or something?

40's. And, no, the original UN resolution partitioned the area into separate Arab and Jewish republics. But there had been conflict between militia groups between the resolution and the independence of Israel in 1947-48. In the end, the King of Jordan was pressured by other Arab states to spearhead an invasion to support Arab militias in the region, despite the king's former cooperation with the Jewish Agency. Israel responded by conquering the Arab regions in Palestine.
The plan from the outset was to have two separate states.

I personally think that a federal or confederal configuration would be the best option. But, sadly, there are nationalists and idiots on both the Palestinian and Israeli sides that, well, for whatever reason, think that it is suitable and acceptable in the modern age to act like they are ing four years old and throw a temper tantrum whenever things don't go their way.

[Sher Khan]

An actual good idea for Middle Eastern stability? Cut it out, Farnan! You're ruining the plan!

The Semites are only controllable when catastrophically divided!


Thankfully they hate each other enough/adhere to such aggressive religious-nationalist identities that they could never accept a ruling body with equal representation for everyone.

[hellheaven1987]

Sounds like similar thing what Churchill told French at the summer of 1940.

Ya, sexy Angol-French Union.

[Каие]

Actually it was the other way around, the French asked us.

[hellheaven1987]

Actually it was the other way around, the French asked us.

Na no, don't piss off French in this board such as Darsh.

It was proposed by Winston Churchill at the summer of 1940, right before French surrendered to Germany; French government did not even respond it (probably due to chaotic situation among French government and the quick-surrendered to Germany after the propose).

The French proposed quite similar thing during Suez Crisis, which British rejected it.

[Deep_Red]

Seems a good idea to me.
The tensions and possible problems are notorious of course.

[Dr. Croccer]

The Israelis would think they lost to the Palestinians, and the Palestinians would think nothing has changed.

[Lord Consul]

It's a good on the paper, but we all know no Israeli politician would ruin his career supporting such course of action.

[fieldmarshal]

Why controls the army? the IDF? would there be one single army?

[Farnan]

Why controls the army? the IDF? would there be one single army?

IPDF will be controlled by a Chief of Staff appointed by the unified senate, and general officers would have to be accepted by the senate. Palestinian and Israeli regiments would be raised in their home regions (similar to the British system), the Air Force will be an integrated branch as will the Navy. Jerusalem is demilitarized.

Lord Consul: This is the only way I can think of solving the Jerusalem question.

[Londinium]

IPDF will be controlled by a Chief of Staff appointed by the unified senate, and general officers would have to be accepted by the senate. Palestinian and Israeli regiments would be raised in their home regions (similar to the British system), the Air Force will be an integrated branch as will the Navy. Jerusalem is demilitarized.

Lord Consul: This is the only way I can think of solving the Jerusalem question.

Because the Palestinians will be happy to enrol in and fight for an army that has been killing them for 60 years now ? somehow I don't see that happening. I'm a supporter of Israel and recognise how flawed an idea that would be, we've gone far beyond the stage of a one state solution being viable.

[Каие]

Good point. What of defence?

[Каие]

Noway, Farnan. No way the Israelis will share their security with the 'enemy'.