How can you choose between 2 similar units such as:Spearmen/Armored Sergeant Spearmen, Armoured Swordsmen/Dismounted Feudal Knights etc

[Sumonious]

The title tells pretty much the whole point. I did some search but ain't find any match case.

So can you tell me some advices ? In my opinion there are many units pretty much the same, in stats and in shape. why should I have a troop contain both Armored Swordsmen and Dismounted Feudal Knights ?

Some troop are not exactly cousin, but they differ to other only in upkeep and recruitment cost, such as Town Militia and Peasants. Other than that, they are both utterly useless. I'd rather make Spear Militia with their "bonus versus Calvary" trait than Town Militia. Town Militia is no more than a bunch of Peasants with spear,light armor and a shield, no more.

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[Furion]

Well there are some small differences in the stats and in the cost I beleive.

And I think that town milita also has bonuses against cavalry as they have spears.

[Sumonious]

...And I think that town milita also has bonuses against cavalry as they have spears.

No they don't. I'm pretty sure about that. At first I thought they have bonus too. But later, while defending siege, I discovered that I had made a bunch of idiots served as snacks for enemy's calvary. Anyway gotta sleep, see you all tomorrow.

[Furion]

Ofcurse its just cheap town militaa versus heavy cavalry and they probably have to low morale, defence and attack to do anything at all before routing, but they still have the bonus.

Oh and it might not be a good idea to create a thread right before you go to bed

[robbo]

Apart from the obvious difference in attack/defense stats, there can be a number of reasons. For example town militia get free upkeep in cities whereas peasants do not (not the greatest example seeing as peasant upkeep is pretty low anyway). Then there are reasons like, if a unit has a shield then they will cope better with missile fire. Another reason may be ease of retraining. Feudal Knights are available earlier than Armoured Swordsmen (at least I think. It's been a while since I played vanilla) which means you won't need high tier buildings to retrain them. It also means you have longer to work on them gaining experience. Last of all, units available later on tend to have better morale.

[Arto]

Expensive cost for upkeep.

[Mikiez]

Defending I just use a bunch of spearmen but for my main army(legion!) I usually have 5 spear men 3 heavily armored units(the best I can afford) 2 horses, some archers and a general

The diff between the different heavy units is sword,mace,2 hander, and spear
Spear works better against horses and doesn't work as well on infantry
Mace works well on other heavy armor from what I know
Sword works well on little armored units
2 hander are slow but strong

[Furion]

Umm I think explaining 2 hander with slow but strong is wrong, its moore like they gain moore from charge and has a great attack, but is very bad on defence.
Therefore they are perfect for for flanking.

[kannwar]

Umm I think explaining 2 hander with slow but strong is wrong, its moore like they gain moore from charge and has a great attack, but is very bad on defence.
Therefore they are perfect for for flanking.

Yea i'd agree with that. Getting those low defence/high attack units into drawn out fights is dicey at best. Their real advantage lies with their powerful charge stat.

[Sumonious]

Town Militia may have bonus for using spear but Spear Militia have a "Bonus versus Calvary" trait. If Town Militia are preferred more than Peasants as they are free unit then while don't we screw them all and use Spear Militia instead ?

Dismounted English Knight does come before Armored Swordsmen but only a few turn. After that how can you decide ? And base on the argument that unit comes later is better, then while should I mass Dismounted English Knight ? I suppose Dismounted English Knight quite handy in the beginning,but It should only be used it in limited number. After that I never use it again.

*Furion: I tend to make thread before go to sleep so that when I wake up, it already has filled with posts. It's better than waiting for reply

[Furion]

Town Militia may have bonus for using spear but Spear Militia have a "Bonus versus Calvary" trait. If Town Militia are preferred more than Peasants as they are free unit then while don't we screw them all and use Spear Militia instead ?

Im pretty sure they both have bonus versus cavalry.
And We prefer spear milita becuase they have way better stats

[robbo]

Dismounted English Knight does come before Armored Swordsmen but only a few turn. After that how can you decide ? And base on the argument that unit comes later is better, then while should I mass Dismounted English Knight ? I suppose Dismounted English Knight quite handy in the beginning,but It should only be used it in limited number. After that I never use it again.

Armoured Swordsmen and Dismounted English Knights have completely different roles. The two complement rather than replace each other. DEK's use a poleaxe which is effective against armour. This makes them extremely good shock infantry and very handy in the late period when you're up against heavily armoured units. However the lack of shield means that they don't cope well against missile fire or in long fights to the death. They're not very good at holding a line.

Armoured Sworsmen on the otherhand do have a shield but no armour piercing weapon. This makes them good at holding a line and makes them more than capable of holding their own in a long drawn out fight. In my experience, using Armoured Swordsmen to engage enemy infantry or stand up to a charge, then crashing into their flank or rear with DEK's is a deadly combination.

[Sumonious]

Armoured Swordsmen and Dismounted English Knights have completely different roles....

Oops, my mistakes, I wanted to take comparison between Armored Swordsmen and Dismounted Feudal Knights not Armored Swordsmen and Dismounted English Knights

[Lazuline]

Hmm... This death against missile fire has gotten me thinking.

What about Swiss Guards or those that use long spears. Does that mean they're basically bait for Archers/Musketeers?

[Sher Khan]

In the case of both Sergeant Spearmen/Armored Seargeants and DFK/Armored Swordsman/Chivalric Knights, it's obviously armor and armor upgrade, with later units having better levels of armor upgrade.

However, in the interest of availability, DFKs are king (and as close as people get to fielding legions of.... Roman legions in this game).

Which is silly, but, Rome fanboys and all

[Geordie-warlord]

in most of the battle's i played the armoured swordsmen seem to be a bit weaker in a battle compared to the dismounted feudal knights.

the knights can hold a battle line pretty well but the swordsmen imo cant be trusted for anything apart from shock troops

and tthe swordsmen nearly allways break moral in a tough fight.where as the knights will fight to near the last man.

[Sumonious]

in most of the battle's i played the armoured swordsmen seem to be a bit weaker in a battle compared to the dismounted feudal knights.

the knights can hold a battle line pretty well but the swordsmen imo cant be trusted for anything apart from shock troops

and tthe swordsmen nearly allways break moral in a tough fight.where as the knights will fight to near the last man.

So Dismounted Feudal Knights has better morale than Armored Swordsmen. It's really interesting. So I have a reason to consider between Armored Swordsmen and DFK now. Thank and + rep to you all

May I ask a question please. Do all dismounted knight has better morale than normal unit ?

Edit: I am prevented from given any more rep. For guy who have been rep, I would rep you later

[Kawee]

Armoured Swordman is a unique unit for England. It's better than DFK because of lower upkeep, and that extra 1 defense. Other than that, no difference I think. With other factions, you'll have to use the DFK since Armoured Swordmen isn't available.

[Lysimachus]

Armoured Swordsmen are slower than Dismounted Feudal Knights so some people don't use them, but the 150 florins upkeep (as opposed to the 225 upkeep of Dismounted Feudal Knights) is quite a bonus if I do say so myself.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

I prefer Armoured Swordsmen to Dismounted Feudals. Start with better armour, lower upkeep.

Armoured Sergeants are going to be better than Spear Militia with upgraded armour are going to be more skilled fighters and have better morale. However, armoured Spear Militia are great support units... they can definitely do a good job of holding walls and protecting the flanks of a pike-based army.