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    Default What's so bad about a new world order?

    Okay. Suppose for a second Martin N and company is right - there is a massive global conspiracy about a united New World Order.

    What's so bad about that? We'd have world peace, a centralized and united government system; no more partisanship - no shallow cultural and geographical boundaries.

    Just you, me, mankind - all pooling our resources working toward a common goal to reach out and explore the stars and discover what wonders the galaxy has in store for our curious minds.

    Surely such a centralized government is far better than the squabbles and petty conflicts we have now.

    It doesn't have to be a dystopia; it could be Star Trek.

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    Its probably just the general idea that its X people you dislike who would be ruling the new world order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy34543 View Post
    Its probably just the general idea that its X people you dislike who would be ruling the new world order.
    You guys all like me, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    You guys all like me, right?
    Like you? I don't know you, but say I do, and I answer yes.

    Want you to make decisions shaping my life? No. I'd want something a bit more local than a man in New York (Or Geneva, seems UN etc. like both those cities) shaping it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishoss View Post
    Like you? I don't know you, but say I do, and I answer yes.
    Then we will have no problems.
    Want you to make decisions shaping my life? No. I'd want something a bit more local than a man in New York (Or Geneva, seems UN etc. like both those cities) shaping it.
    But what if my decisions for shaping your life are really good?

    You don't mind God ruling over every aspect of your life, right? Jesus was likable - and so am I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    Then we will have no problems.


    But what if my decisions for shaping your life are really good?

    You don't mind God ruling over every aspect of your life, right? Jesus was likable - and so am I.
    Actually I do I have trouble with God "ruling" my life.

    That's why I am an atheist

    How will I know that your decisions are good for my part of the world? You might make good decisions for Asia, Africa, Oceania, America, but what about the other parts of the world?
    Have you ever seen Dirty Harry Guns and money are best diplomacy
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    What we will see if nwo is established is division of society into two groupes - political/financial elites which would be extremly rich and the rest living in poverty and supporting the elites through opression and propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    What we will see if nwo is established is division of society into two groupes - political/financial elites which would be extremly rich and the rest living in poverty and supporting the elites through opression and propaganda.
    So, nothing would change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maraud View Post
    So, nothing would change?

    In case of nation-state governments you could change something. In case of one world-wide oligarchy government you wouldn't be able to change anything.

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    It boils down to principles vs practicality. On the one hand, we're all going to die, might as well do something for the world and further humanity. On the other, we're all going to die, might as well fight for what you think is right.

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    My answer would be straight forward, and ive said it before, There is a detterent toward global enslavement and poverty, and that is soverignty, if there is always soveiring nations to fight the globalists, then there will bea detterent, that is why we must stop countries forming these unions, like the european and american, If there is only one world government and one world bank, Then there is no use for us, thus there is no place for us, because we the people are only around for taxes and to further the wealth between them and us.

    Lets think about it, And this is a question to you all , If you could rule world and everything in it, with all the wealth, Would you really care for the single average man ? no you wouldent, Power corrupts, absolute power corrups absoluteley, we would have no freedoms, bareley enough to live on, there are 100's of other reasons, We would not have peace because there would be constant riots for food, such utopias does not work, Hitler promised this and nothing changed, its Tyranny.

    Dont take my world or it, It will be coming soon and we can experience it for ourselfs.

    Im interested in how this discussion will turn out, BTW there is no supposing in it, Im not making this stuff up, its all over the news and media, calling for a "new world order" and a "new monetary order" to get us out of this global economic meltdown.

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    Default Re: What's so bad about a new world order?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    My answer would be straight forward, and ive said it before, There is a detterent toward global enslavement and poverty, and that is soverignty, if there is always soveiring nations to fight the globalists, then there will bea detterent, that is why we must stop countries forming these unions, like the european and american, If there is only one world government and one world bank, Then there is no use for us, thus there is no place for us, because we the people are only around for taxes and to further the wealth between them and us.
    Right and this state of order would be eternal?

    Mate, competition is a natural state of being. It is strife, conflict and competition that keep things from turning stagnant. That is the very essence of the survival of the fittest theory: you only better yourself if you're presented with obstacles and can overcome them.

    What you imagine is a world ruled by one body with one bank and one set of rules and bla bla. And then what? It would stagnate and collapse because there's no yin to it's yang. Or yang to it's yin, whatever.

    Im interested in how this discussion will turn out, BTW there is no supposing in it, Im not making this stuff up, its all over the news and media, calling for a "new world order" and a "new monetary order" to get us out of this global economic meltdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Right and this state of order would be eternal?

    Mate, competition is a natural state of being. It is strife, conflict and competition that keep things from turning stagnant. That is the very essence of the survival of the fittest theory: you only better yourself if you're presented with obstacles and can overcome them.

    What you imagine is a world ruled by one body with one bank and one set of rules and bla bla. And then what? It would stagnate and collapse because there's no yin to it's yang. Or yang to it's yin, whatever.
    Yes. I don't understand how people can promote such an unrealistic utopia. They should heed the words of Xenophon, from his Cyropaedia, written in the 4th century BC. It was obvious even back then.

    We have had occasion before now to reflect how often democracies have been overthrown by the desire for some other type of government, how often monarchies and oligarchies have been swept away by movements of the people, how often would-be despots have fallen in their turn, some at the outset by one stroke, while whose who have maintained their rule for ever so brief a season are looked upon with wonder as marvels of sagacity and success.

    The same lesson, we had little doubt, was to be learnt from the family: the household might be great or small—even the master of few could hardly count on the obedience of his little flock. [2] And so, one idea leading to another, we came to shape our reflexions thus: Drovers may certainly be called the rulers of their cattle and horse-breeders the rulers of their studs—all herdsmen, in short, may reasonably be considered the governors of the animals they guard. If, then, we were to believe the evidence of our senses, was it not obvious that flocks and herds were more ready to obey their keepers than men their rulers? Watch the cattle wending their way wherever their herdsmen guide them, see them grazing in the pastures where they are sent and abstaining from forbidden grounds, the fruit of their own bodies they yield to their master to use as he thinks best; nor have we ever seen one flock among them all combining against their guardian, either to disobey him or to refuse him the absolute control of their produce. On the contrary, they are more apt to show hostility against other animals than against the owner who derives advantage from them. But with man the rule is converse; men unite against none so readily as against those whom they see attempting to rule over them. [3] As long, therefore, as we followed these reflexions, we could not but conclude that man is by nature fitted to govern all creatures, except his fellow-man.
    So 2,400 years later, people still believe this bollocks could possibly work?

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    Default Re: What's so bad about a new world order?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    Okay. Suppose for a second Martin N and company is right - there is a massive global conspiracy about a united New World Order.

    What's so bad about that? We'd have world peace, a centralized and united government system; no more partisanship - no shallow cultural and geographical boundaries.

    Just you, me, mankind - all pooling our resources working toward a common goal to reach out and explore the stars and discover what wonders the galaxy has in store for our curious minds.

    Surely such a centralized government is far better than the squabbles and petty conflicts we have now.

    It doesn't have to be a dystopia; it could be Star Trek.
    for one thing a central unified government would be almost impossible to actually achieve. a unified continent area like the EU is about as large a scale as you can get. also notice it is only including very developed countries who still need interdependence.

    even if the nWo is out there, it could never reach its goals, no matter how powerful it is.
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    If people can accept religion, then why can't people accept the idea of a new world order?

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    Because there are a lot religions, but only one new world order

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    Ancient Empires did not have the powerful tool that the modern world power will use to manipulate and rule mankind.

    Darwinism!!

    The Nazi regime under Hitler is a prime example of the end game for the shadow people. They want the Earth but with not so many people to feed. How do you get rid of all those mouths to feed.

    Breeding and culling.

    This will be one of the goals of the NWO

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    There won't be any escape from the New World Order, which will be run by cavalier nihilists. If stuff hits the fan, I want to be able to flee away to another land far far away. I always want that possibility. I am also not going to let my culture fall and loose its independence without a fight.

    Mithie, you are not going to rule it, you are going to the NWO's .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    What's so bad about that? We'd have world peace, a centralized and united government system; no more partisanship - no shallow cultural and geographical boundaries.
    the NWO would enable the rich to get richer, us poor to remain effectively slaves.. ensure the classes remain the same.

    Worldwide corruption on a scale never before seen.

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    I guess most of you guys are americans, and dont get me wrong, but wile you might have national pride, you do not have national culture, so you cant understand for example euopeans. You might (mostly) be descendents from us, but too much time has passed for us to understand each other.
    Would you willingly live with Nazi Germany? No...
    And we will not live together with the Turks (for example). We have a Histroy that goes down thousends of years, a history of war and suffering, of peace and honour. How can you understand what the Battle of Arminius means to a German, where youre biggest war was the indipendence war against England? This was not the same. The batlle of Tours under Chars "the Hammer", where the Franks fought for Europe... No American will ever feel what a Spain feels when he faces an Arab, or what a GEorgian about a Turk.
    Or why Germany and Rome (Italy) become like brothers. How it feels for a Pole to look at a German. So much history between each other. The War against the Mongolians and the Holocaust...
    How it feels for the Germans and Frach to be allies... after a thousend years! Literaly.
    This is who we are, and noone will take it from us without a fight. The EU is not like the NWO, its the opposite. SInce in the NWO unites, while the EU seperates Europe from the rest of the world. Makes it one.
    We are not all brothers, we are not all the same, God may have made us equal und same, but mankined destroed that bond. I dont know if 25.000 years earlier (if we exist so long, which I doubt a bit) Europeans came from Africa and were the same people... but now, today, we are not. I am not a racist. I am not a Nazist. I dont think of myself superior then others, but Europe is ours, and we shall keep it, or die trying. Prussia is Polish for 60 years and everyone accepts it as Polish, same with Israel.. Europe is "ours" for 10.000 years... why is that not acceped?

    Free Trade yes...
    Fair Traid yes...
    Frendly relations yes...
    But destruction of Nations, cultures and religions... NONot withought a fight..

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