Free barbarians - apply for beta 8.0 testing at the Beta 8.0 sticky

[apple]

ONLY for Free barbaric Reports, all off topic posts will be deleted.

You will have to do this:

Include all errors in your first post organized so that the we could find them without having to search trough the whole tread.

You should also strike off each and every solved error. [S][/*S] like this

Post all pictures in spoilers for faster loading.

Good luck, The Roma Surrectum II Team

[tone]

These are the free barbarian mini factions. Like with the free Greeks, a lot of these won't be visible in custom battles. Part of your job is to see what's recruitable where, and whether it all fits with this scheme. It should do as DVK has spent a lot of time working on the AOR. Each region on the map has a specific code assigned to it to allow region by region placement of AOR units.

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Aedui
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barb slinger (shared)
celtic warband archer (shared)
celtic light spearman
celtic heavy swordsmen
naked fanatics
aedui champion
aedui cavalry (celtic medium cavalry)
celtic noble cavalry
barbarian chieftain cavalry

Arevaci - Celtiberians
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celtiberian caetrati
celtiberian spearman (celtiberian_spearman)
arevaci spearman (celtiberian_spearman, merc slot)
iberian scutarii (light_scutati)
iberian elite scutarii (shared)
iberian infantry scortamareva (thorakitai model)
iberian scutarii cavalry (thureophoroi_hippeis)
arevaci medium cavalry (iberian_medium_cavalry, merc slot)
arevaci heavy cavalry (iberian_heavy_cavalry, merc slot)
gallaeci early general


Brigantes (Britain)
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barb slinger
britonic slinger
britonic elite skirmisher
britonic spearman (shared)
brigantes swordsman (skin on pictones_swordsman)
celtic light cavalry (shared)
brigantes noble cavalry
celtic chariot
brythonic heavy chariot
barbarian chieftain cavalry

Caledonia (Scotland)
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britonic slinger
barb peltast
britonic spearman (shared)
caledonian swordsman (skin on nervii_swordsman)
caledonian infantry
caledonian cavalry (light cavalry, merc skin)
celtic chariot
barbarian chieftain cavalry

Galatians (Thrace)
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greek slinger
thraikan peltast
tolistoboii naked fanatics (Gesaetae model, merc skin)
galatian naked spearman (britonic_spearman model, merc skin)
trocmi heavy spearmen
tectosages heavy swordsmen
boii champion
volcae axeman
celtic light cavalry (shared)
paphlagonian cavalry (eastern mounted skirmisher, shared)
thessalian hippeis
trocmi charioteers
cappadocian cavalry (skin on armoured horse archer)
phrygian heavy cavalry (xystophoroi, merc slot)
tolistoboii noble cavalry
thessalian hippeis (normal skin)
barbarian chieftain cavalry

Helvetii
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barb slinger (shared)
celtic warband archer (shared)
celtic longshield skirmisher
celtic axeman (Belgae champion skin)
naked fanatics
helvetii infantry
celtic light cavalry (shared)
celtic chariot
barbarian chieftain cavalry

Lusitanians
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iberian skirmisher
lusitanian caetrati
lusitanian spearmen
iberian scutarii (light_scutati)
lusitanian elite scutarii (elite_armoured_scutati, merc slot)
lusitanian elite caetrati (gallaeci_elite_infantry, merc slot)
iberian infantry ambakaro (shared)
lusitanian light cavalry (iberian_light_cavalry, merc slot)
iberian medium cavalry (iberian_medium_cavalry, shared)
iberian heavy cavalry (shared)
gallaeci early general


Scordisci
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barb slinger (shared)
getic archer
volcae axeman
celtic light swordsman
celtic heavy spearman
comati
scordisci infantry
light cavalry
noble celtic cavalry (celtic medium cavalry, merc skin)
scordisci noble cavalry (Treveri cavalry, merc skin)
celtic chariot
barbarian chieftain cavalry


Suebians / Cherusci
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barb slinger (shared)
levy clubman
cherusci axemen
suebian skirmisher (celtic longshield skirmisher, merc skin)
cherusci light spearmen (light spearmen, merc skin)
chatti spearman (celtic elite skirmisher, merc skin)
cherusci swordsman (celtic light swordsmen, merc skin)
germanic heavy axemen (two handed)
bear warrior
wolf warrior
marcomanni noble
celtic light cavalry
suebian cavalry (comati cavalry, merc skin)
germanic chieftain cavalry

[tone]

Definitely shouldn't be like that. I'll check in the EDU to see how to fix that.

Hmmmm.....It's looking likely that this was something I overlooked in the calculations about what horse skins and models were needed....eeek. I'll have to figure a workaround.

[tone]

No....managed to figure it. I'll make sure it's in the next revision.

[Ragnarök]

Report:


Done:

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The recruitment for the Free Barbarian faction:

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They don't seem to have any recruiting possibilities, except their starting regions.
I've conquered some new regions and didn't find any units.
And there appear ports in the building tree of a city with no access to water.

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No diplomats for the free barbarians:

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I don't know if this is supposed to be:

Wrong icon for Thraikan Pezoi, (+small written):

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Caledonian swordsmen carrying spears(edit: in melee they use their swords):

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Celtic Light Swordmen with skirmish ability and spears:

Unusual unit size for skirmish cavalry:

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On large unit scale, usually 40 - 80:

This battle caused a ctd before, and then a second time after reloading, during the battle:

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Army 1 was me, as the Free Barbarians:

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2 x Paleoveneti Noble Cavalry
2 x Veneti Skirmisher
8 x Celtic Light Swordman
1 x Insubres Infantry
4 x Celtic Heavy Spearman

Army 2 the enemy was the Free People:

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1 x Celtic Longshield Skirmisher
2 x Celtic Warband Archer
2 x Celtic Heavy Swordman
1 x Celtic Medium Cavalry
1 x Celtic Light Spearman
1 x Insubres Peltast
1 x Celtic Noble Cavalry
1 x Celtic Light Cavalry
1 x Celtic Heavy Spearman
1 x Celtic Light Swordman
1 x Barbaric Slinger

After Testing some combinations in custom battle, I found out the combination
"Celtic Light Swordman" AND "Celtic Heavy Spearman"
fighting Carthaginian "Celtiberian Spearman" caused a ctd as well!
Edit: Not always (+"Paleoveneti Noble Cavalry" maybe) and without an error message

The next ctd I have always during this battle (by giving commands in some certain situation):

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Army 1:

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7 x Pictones Swordsman
4 x Helvetii Infantry
1 x Isubres Peltast
1 x free barbarian chieftain cavalry

Army 2:

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1 Celtic Longshield Skirmisher
2 x Celtic Warband Archer
2 x Celtic Heavy Swordman
1 x Celtic Medium Cavalry
1 x Celtic Noble Cavalry
1 x Isubres Peltast
1 x Celtic Light Spearman

I'm unable to fully test battles since it seems that not all units appear in custom battle.

Ctd in Taurike(Bosphorus):

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Army 1 (Free Barbarians):

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1 x scythian chieftains cavalry
1 x scythian archer
3 x dacian comatus
2 x dacian mounted tarabostes
1 x thraikan falxman
6 x comati hoplite
1 x Hoplites of Bosporan
1 x bosporan heavy infantry
2 x Protoslav Spearman

Army 2 (Free Greeks):

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1 x greek thorakitai
2 x Scythian Horse Archer
2 x Hoplites of Bosporan
1 x thraikan chosen pezoi
1 x scythohellenic archer
1 x tanais cataphract
1 x Paphlagonian Cavalry
1 x thraikan elite falxman

A cdt on the campaign map that has something to do with the Romans:

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Every time I pushed the end of turn button, the game crashed when it reached the Romans.
Thus I tried to change the "destiny" and took one of the cities of the Romans with the move_character cheat.
After that I was able to run that turn.
savegame 1 (before):

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http://files.filefront.com/maptestsa.../fileinfo.html

savegame 2:

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http://files.filefront.com/maptest2s.../fileinfo.html

What could be the reason?

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Greek general (Pergamon) with wrong unit card:

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[dvk901]

Report:

No diplomats for the free barbarians:

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I don't know if this is supposed to be:

Done:

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Wrong icon for Thraikan Pezoi, (+small written):

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Caledonian swordsmen carrying spears(edit: in melee they use their swords):

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Celtic Light Swordmen with skirmish ability and spears:

Unusual unit size for skirmish cavalry:

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On large unit scale, usually 40 - 80:

This battle caused a ctd before, and then a second time after reloading, during the battle:

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Army 1 was me, as the Free Barbarians:

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2 x Paleoveneti Noble Cavalry
2 x Veneti Skirmisher
8 x Celtic Light Swordman
1 x Insubres Infantry
4 x Celtic Heavy Spearman

Army 2 the enemy was the Free People:

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1 x Celtic Longshield Skirmisher
2 x Celtic Warband Archer
2 x Celtic Heavy Swordman
1 x Celtic Medium Cavalry
1 x Celtic Light Spearman
1 x Insubres Peltast
1 x Celtic Noble Cavalry
1 x Celtic Light Cavalry
1 x Celtic Heavy Spearman
1 x Celtic Light Swordman
1 x Barbaric Slinger

After Testing some combinations in custom battle, I found out the combination
"Celtic Light Swordman" AND "Celtic Heavy Spearman"
fighting Carthaginian "Celtiberian Spearman" caused a ctd as well!
Edit: Not always (+"Paleoveneti Noble Cavalry" maybe) and without an error message

The next ctd I have always during this battle (by giving commands in some certain situation):

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Army 1:

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7 x Pictones Swordsman
4 x Helvetii Infantry
1 x Isubres Peltast
1 x free barbarian chieftain cavalry

Army 2:

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1 Celtic Longshield Skirmisher
2 x Celtic Warband Archer
2 x Celtic Heavy Swordman
1 x Celtic Medium Cavalry
1 x Celtic Noble Cavalry
1 x Isubres Peltast
1 x Celtic Light Spearman

I'm unable to fully test battles since it seems that not all units appear in custom battle.

Others should learn from you my friend. This is the best and most detailed report I have seen.

I have a 'suspicion' as to what may be causing this.....it will take me a while to fix it as it involves every 'merc' unit in the game. It's how, and\or IF the game can find the 'merc' sprite properly. I suspect that it is NOT always finding it properly. This would account for CTD's with an error.

[Ragnarök]

I have a 'suspicion' as to what may be causing this.....it will take me a while to fix it as it involves every 'merc' unit in the game. It's how, and\or IF the game can find the 'merc' sprite properly. I suspect that it is NOT always finding it properly. This would account for CTD's with an error.

The majority of ctds I had in most of the battles in Gaul (and with the Helvetians), Cisalpine Gaul, Noricum and Taurike (Bosphorus).
In Asia Minor with the Galatian I had no ctds yet, and also with the Caledonians in Britannia.
The units listed above may show the area. I cannot really differ from regular and merc units yet.

[tone]

Caledonians have javs and swords
Yeah, the light cav seem rather many! DVK?
The Thraikans have a few more skins coming so those are still a work in progress.

Thanks for posting

[Ragnarök]

The Free Barbarians are supposed to have no diplomat, right?
And I added a ctd to my report.
I haven't had a single ctd in 50 or more years testing only the campaign map, but now I have one in a battle.

[apple]

Yes they probably are as we wish the ai to kick there butt.

[tone]

The merc sprite is the one that has no faction name before it.
I was looking at the merc units but must have missed any error.

[tone]

It's likely that the errors are missing sprite errors, but Gottard is writing a program to fix this. We're very nearly at the point of finishing the skinning so we can really get these sprites redone and have fewer CTDs.

[Ragnarök]

Should I continue testing battles, since the ctds all seem to have almost the same reason, or should I test an other faction until the next revision?
I could also test only the campaign map with autoresolve cause ctd are annoying if you know they will certainly come.
Please tell me if there is a faction wich needs to be tested in battles.

[tone]

At this stage, campaigns are more important now. We'll try and make sure stuff is fixed for the next revision.

[apple]

Test a new faction if you want to.
Take a look at all faction treads to see which of those that hasn't got any or just few reports.
Carthage is already tested but all others should need some more work.

Keep up this speed and the mod will be out much sooner.

[dvk901]

BTW, it is by design that the Free Greeks and Free barbarians cannot recruit anything except in the regions they start with.

[Ragnarök]

Ok sounds like I only have found things that were already known or rather supposed to be.
I will observe that its a special faction now. Maybe I can find something more usefull

[cherryfunk]

dvk, the Free banners are still the old style, not the new pacco kind (also that green is kinda bright and neon-ish...); also note the Eagles atop both the Free and Seleucid banners...

[pacco]

Strange! :hmmm:I´ll check that soon.

Edit:
There are few old banners - because we have banners for eastern rebels, carthage rebels, egiptian rebels, greek rebels... And I didn´t know that! That one is egiptian reb. banner.
Then we need those banners too?

[cherryfunk]

If you have time pacco -- it looks kinda odd to have your new realistic banners next to the old ones, no?