Jews, guilty or not guilty?

[Applesmack]

Wiki can be edited by anyone, and its not seen as a reliable source, thats why newspapers dont use it.

More denial of evidence provided. You see those sources at the bottom? Prove that they are fake and the information on wiki is wrong. I would like a historians acount, please. For those sources at the bottom are from historians.

Haha, once again you completely ignore the questions you cant answer by flaming. Total Ignorance instead of total fanatic.

You have lost me utterly....

[Domen123]

Seriosuly Domen your type of posting is so Fail.

1. you didnt answer my question.
2. You proved nothing beside the thing I told you NOT TO PROVE.
3. I still want proves for all your sayings.
4. Im 1/4 Jew myself so you bet i got good sources from my granpa. Ive also read about 5 prized books made my jews and poles about this subject, so its not some article. Oh and you also prove your own stupidity by telling me what and who I am and where I have my sources.
5. I think you should stop giving me giant wikipedia links and get me som real proof.

2. You proved nothing beside the thing I told you NOT TO PROVE.
3. I still want proves for all your sayings.

List some concrete facts / numbers which I provided and which you have doubts about, and which you want me to provide sources for them.

Then we can talk.

1. you didnt answer my question.

Which one? And what do you expect me to answer for it.

5. I think you should stop giving me giant wikipedia links and get me som real proof.

What is "a real proof" for you - if not historical facts and dates?

And first of all - proof for what (concretes please!) ?

4. Im 1/4 Jew myself so you bet i got good sources from my granpa. Ive also read about 5 prized books made my jews and poles about this subject, so its not some article. Oh and you also prove your own stupidity by telling me what and who I am and where I have my sources.

I've got a friend who is also 1/4 Jew (and 3/4 Polish) and his granpa is the oldest Jew in my home town (89 years old), and five days ago I talked with him.

[Neptulon]

At the beginning of XVI century over 50% of the global Jewish population lived in Poland, and in the middle of the century - over 80% of it.


As far as I remember (I have read it somewhere - but I don't remember where exactly) the word for "Poland" in Yiddish is very similar to the word for "paradise" - or something like that - in the same language - Yiddish.

Anti-semitism in Poland after the WW2 was directly connected with the popular - among Polish people - theory, that Jews = communists and that Jews are responsible for the fall of Poland in 1939 - especcialy the Soviet invasion of Poland.

Anti-semitism in Poland was not about hating Jews for being Jews, but about hating Jews for allegedly being communists.

Indeed - some percent of the Polish Jews were extreme communists
Such Jewish communist extremists, started their activity before the war - and during the Polish Campaign of 1939 commited some awful crimes:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...4820&p=1257170

Video in the thread above (from axis history forums) seems not to work - so I put it also here that everybody can watch after reading the thread above:

And - by the way - it was Poland which contributed the most in establishing the modern, independent state of Israel.

The vast majority of the Jewish army after the WW2 were trained and experienced Polish-Jewish soldiers who served in the Polish Armed Forces during the WW2.

It was considered even if the Polish language shouldn't be the main language of Israel instead of Yiddish - because almost all Jews knew it...

Unfortunately today - and it must be said - Poles and Polish things are disrciminated by the Israeli government and by the Jewish minority in the USA (which is very anti-Polish).

It is simply racism.

The Poles received over 1/4 of all Chasid Umot ha-Olam medals - but when some foreign trips come to Israel, Israeli guides only shows them the Dutch or French monuments - the Polish sector (which is far bigger than any other) is forgotten and avoided.

I know it because I personally saw it.

One of his nicknames was "the king of peasants and Jews" - because almost all peasants and Jews who lived in Poland remembered him as a very good ruler for them.

In opposition with the common stereotype, the Polish anti-semitism - although happened - was not bigger than any other antisemitism in any other country. And it started after the WW2.

More over - it was certainly much smaller and even much, much less harmful than the antisemitism which happened in Germany during the Nazi period. The Polish people did not play any role in the Holocaust, except the role of being companions of the Jews as the victims of the Nazi crimes and genocides.

And the modern Jews are exagerrating events which happened, at the same time trying to forget about or at least dimnish those "bad" things, which were commited by the Jews against the Poles.

Wouldn't it be easier for both Jews and Poles to remember and to honour those good things - which were 1000 or more times more numerous - instead of those few bad things - which happened during the common 912-years long Polish-Jewish history ?



The best what the Poles could do for the Jews was to let them to live and be sovereign and tolerated in their own country for several hundreds years since 1096.

And they did it - this is the ONLY reason why the Jewish nation survived the Middle Ages, XVI, XVII and XVIII centuries.

List some concrete facts / numbers which I provided and which you have doubts about, and which you want me to provide sources for them.

And first of all - proof for what (concretes please!) ?

Which one? And what do you expect me to answer for it.

There ya go.




I asked what you tried to prove with that video.

What is "a real proof" for you - if not historical facts and dates?

Wikipedia is not a real source. You can have wrote that, and it wouldnt suprise me.

[Phunkracy]

The only reason the Poles let thoose jews in in the first place becuase they needed them, not becuase they were tolerant.

Im not even gonna go over how evil the poles were to their jews during the WW2 or how evil they have been since like the 16th's.
I suggest you read som books about the Jewish Gheto in warsawa, like "Ninas travel" to open your eyes a bit.

For example, France refused to give out their jews until they had no choice, but the poles almost moore helped the germans.

O rly?! Needed for WHAT?!

How evil, explain me! You seem to avoid proving your points, mainly because you don't have any proof, do ya?!

The calibre of your post's ignorance is comparable to the ignorance of "Polish Death Camps". So the Poles actually created Ghetto, and exterminated Jews?! Is that your point?!
I strongly recommend you to REALLY read some books about Ghetto. Read, how many Poles sacrificed themselves to save Judes, when their situation seemed to be hopeless.

And where are the proofs then French refused to give out their Judes? Actually, for what I've heard it was in was inversly, but, contrary to you, I don't post every crap I hear. And situation in France could hardly be compared to situation in Poland.

I've got many examples of Jews backstabbing Jews- is it a proof that every Jew is traitor?

Its not rascism. Theres a big reason why the poles are known for their disrespect for jews. Ive read alot of books form poles and Jew themselves, and its not rascism, its truth.

"Most of the jewish were trained in the polish army and fought in WW2", is this meant to make the poles look better? The best they could do for the jews was to let them fight! Hurray!

Sources? Where's that 'big reson' huh?!

Why would a Jew fight for country in which everyone hates him and where everybody is antisemitic?!

Seriosuly Domen what do you want to proof with that video?

And I would like the sources of your statements beside that Jews had been tolerated since 1059, becuase I honestly think most of the things you write is bullcrap.

There ya go.




I asked what you tried to prove with that video.

What is "a real proof" for you - if not historical facts and dates?

Wikipedia is not a real source. You can have wrote that, and it wouldnt suprise me.



WOW ! Amazing ! - may I guess - you live in the USA?

And I've got a friend who is also 1/4 Jew (and 3/4 Polish) and his granpa is the oldest Jew in my home town (89 years old), and five days ago I talked with him.

Nope, wrong guess, again.

Actually it's YOU who don't post any sources and make some sick statements, without any proof.

[Neptulon]

Wikipedia is not my source - I know it from history books, articles, pictures and videos - and also demographic statistics. I provided the link to wikipedia for you because you can't read those books because they are in Polish.

Polish books, polish Articles, Polish all I guess? But seriously, wich books have you read then?

Everyone who read something about the Republic of Both Nations knows that there was the Jewish "Lower House of Four Lands" in Poland - as well as knows about other facts which I provided. He or she also knows that Poland was the most tolerant state in the whole Europe - or at least among the most tolerant ones - until the second half of XVII century.

Today - in 2008 - "anti-polonism" among the Jews is probably much bigger problem than some single cases of "anti-semitism" among the Poles.

For example in my home-town - when Barack Obama was elected - one journalist from controversial newspaper was asking peoples on the streets:

"Who would you like for the president of Poland:

a) Black man
b) Jew
c) someone else (I don't remember)"

But as far as I know nobody treated this seriously and the guy was heavily criticised for this stupid survey - especcialy by other newspapers. It wasn't probably even published in this controversial newspaper.

In the USA the Jews can talk or write what they want about the Poles - including stupid jokes - and it seems that nobody critices them for that or call them "anti-polonists".

Oh well thats a .... a story. What do you want to show?

I strongly recommend you to REALLY read some books about Ghetto. Read, how many Poles sacrificed themselves to save Judes, when their situation seemed to be hopeless.

I understand you dont like my sayings as you are polish, and Yes as I said above I have read. And yes there were some poles to help the jews and some who sacrificed themself, but it wasnt much. Actually The polish resistance force did nothing to coporate with the Judes in the gheto. Source= Mila 18

And situation in France could hardly be compared to situation in Poland.

Ofcurse it cannot, becuase you are polish.(Even as I think they were both occupied and under the same circumstances)

I've got many examples of Jews backstabbing Jews- is it a proof that every Jew is traitor?

No? Where have I said this?

Sources? Where's that 'big reson' huh?!

Big reson?

Why would a Jew fight for country in which everyone hates him and where everybody is antisemitic?!

Becuase they wanted to fight the germans? becuase they liked their country even if it didnt like them? Becuase they were forced?
Dude many people fight for other reasons than their countrys ambitions.

Actually it's YOU who don't post any sources and make some sick statements, without any proof.

Well as I said, ive read alot of books, Wich i ahev stated, i can give them to you if you want. Unlike you, I am Swedish, and compeltely politicaly neutral to this matter. But you are on the other polish seem to get very irritated on when I deny your saying of that The poles has always been the Jews angels. You surely prefer your motherland trough the truth.

[Roman_Wolf]

the only reason for jews being treated the way they used to be is that we live in a dog eat dog world where most humans are power hungry f...
So throughout history, this happened to jews and all other minorities.

[Domen123]

Wikipedia is not a real source. You can have wrote that, and it wouldnt suprise me.

Wikipedia is not my source - I know it from history books, articles, pictures and videos - and also demographic statistics. I provided the link to wikipedia for you because you can't read those books because they are in Polish.

And no - I haven't written this article because on Polish wikipedia I'm registered as Domen (check out the authors). I edited some other articles.

Everyone who read something about the Republic of Both Nations knows that there was the Jewish "Lower House of Four Lands" in Poland - as well as knows about other facts which I provided. He or she also knows that Poland was the most tolerant state in the whole Europe - or at least among the most tolerant ones - until the second half of XVII century.

Today - in 2008 - "anti-polonism" among the Jews is probably much bigger problem than some single cases of "anti-semitism" among the Poles.

For example in my home-town - when Barack Obama was elected - one journalist from controversial newspaper was asking peoples on the streets:

"Who would you like for the president of Poland:

a) Black man
b) Jew
c) someone else (I don't remember)"

But as far as I know nobody treated this seriously and the guy was heavily criticised for this stupid survey - especcialy by other newspapers. It wasn't probably even published in this controversial newspaper.

In the USA the Jews can talk or write what they want about the Poles - including stupid jokes - and it seems that nobody critices them for that or call them "anti-polonists".

4. Im 1/4 Jew myself so you bet i got good sources from my granpa.

Write something about that. I suppose your granpa has told you some so called "family stories" or other memories - can you write something about them ? (I also have some, which my granpa told me - of course related to the topic).

[Pontifex Maximus]

I am surprised this thread got this far. Closed and warnings given, just to reiterate, insulting others is against the rules.

[Visna]

I've been wanting to join in, but I'm too lazy and cba to read all the long posts. Can someone fill me in please? What is that the "joos" are supposedly guilty or not guilty of?