Why are United State Marines :wub: canned with the most outdated equipment?

[Clouse123456]

My Older brother was in the Marines and said the Army got the newer stuff.Had a uncle who served in Nam to btw,Airborne.

[Captain Jin]

Because the Army's budgest is vastly larger than ours. This has become less of a problem now because in the currents wars most funding has been going to Marines and Army since we are the most involved. So comparitively the Navy and Chair Force have been getting shafted a bit.

However, we believe in doing less with more =D. But if you look at most of our vehicles they are updated version of vehicles that have been in service for over 20 years or more. I could list off other stuff the Army got way before us in terms of GPS capability and ECMs but I dont think we're supposed to do talk about ECMs. And of course they got up armored trucks before us but whatever.

[motiv-8]

NOw, Now, the Navy never gets shafted. Marine budget comes through the Department of the Navy, and they ALWAYS make sure that the Navy gets everything it wants before giving the rest to the Marines.

Fortunately, the Marines make up for a lack of equipment with immensely better training and values, and many of them double as MacGuyvers on their off-days.

[Captain Jin]

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and many of them double as MacGuyvers on their off-days.

Because we HAVE to. I'd rather not.

[motiv-8]

Because we HAVE to. I'd rather not.

If that's how you feel. Not all do

We're getting rid of admin and cooks too, theyre going to be civilians too!

That has already started at Quantico. Doesn't work too well.

[Viking Prince]

My Older brother was in the Marines and said the Army got the newer stuff.Had a uncle who served in Nam to btw,Airborne.

Did your older brother mention why? Do you know what the marine mission is and does this perhaps differ from army missions? Does adjustment to current wars mean anything?

Sorry -- without more information and thoughts on your part this is not a good place to start a thread.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Why are United State Marines canned with the most outdated equipment?

Because were always being told were not needed and congress always threatens to disband us. We are the only service that goes under budget every year. I rememebr the Navy guys used to make fun of our old birds and ask how anyone could fly those old things. We were using M-14s while the Army got AR-15s and M-16s. The Marines are the Navys poor step child.

[Norge]

Funny how the Marine Corps motto is "The Few, The Proud", yet every single guy on the internet seems to be part of it.
Do we have any Americans on this site who are not Marines?

[Captain Jin]

Funny how the Marine Corps motto is "The Few, The Proud", yet every single guy on the internet seems to be part of it.
Do we have any Americans on this site who are not Marines?

I think there are only four or so on this site, and some of those guys are former Marines.

We're called the Few the Proud because we are smaller than every other branch in the DoD. But we're still larger than many other countries standing armies.

[C-Rob]

Funny how the Marine Corps motto is "The Few, The Proud", yet every single guy on the internet seems to be part of it.
Do we have any Americans on this site who are not Marines?

*raises hand*

Interesting conversation, I never knew the marines were getting screwed over budget-wise.

[Каие]

Are marines still deployed on ships? I was under the impression that was their primary operational area. Instead it seems they are used entirely on land.

[Farnan]

Are marines still deployed on ships? I was under the impression that was their primary operational area. Instead it seems they are used entirely on land.

It was caused by WWII and the budget war after it.

During WWII, due to the nature of the Island hopping campaign and that Marine Doctrine focused more on amphibious operations than the Army the Marines changed from a small force about a brigade in size to a force 6 divisions large. After the war, the budget battles began. The Army wanted the Marines rolled into their force and get their budget, while the Navy wanted to reduce the Marines to pre-war levels and use the Marines old budget to buy more ships. Marine Veterans however lobbied Congress to preserve the Corps and Congress mandated that at least 3 Divisions of Marines must be kept on active duty at all times.

Now this means there are three divisions of ground troops, which the US military wasn't going to have sit around behind the lines so they used them to support Army operations in war starting in Korea and lasting to the present day.

Theoretically, in a major war situation the Marines would, supported by the Army, establish a beach head (literal or metaphorical), and then the more heavily armed Army would take the lead and the Marines would support the Army actions. I believe that is actually what happened in Nam.

[Captain Jin]

The Marines haven't been used the way they're supposed to be used since WWII, and with the exception of the landing at Inchon in Korea. Someone said the flag raising ensured a Marine Corps for the next three hundred years. But George C. Marshal, Eisenhower, and even MacArthur wanted to the Corps to be dispersed. Said our mission overlapped the Army's.

We're not on ships anymore, unless on a Marine transport ship for a MEU, or aboard a Carrier if youre an air wing unit supporting aircraft.

In contrast to what Farnan said, the Marines aren't supposed to be used for occupation type stuff. For instance, after major conflict in Iraq ended post invasion the Marine Corps left. But had to be brought back in when the insurgency kicked off.

Marine Corps specializes in Amphibious warfare and counter insurgency operations. But Marine by definition is basically seaborne infantry. We come from the sea and fight on land.

[Farnan]

In contrast to what Farnan said, the Marines aren't supposed to be used for occupation type stuff. For instance, after major conflict in Iraq ended post invasion the Marine Corps left. But had to be brought back in when the insurgency kicked off.

You've done occupation type stuff since Veracruz. US Army forces are not meant for occupation type stuff either. But you fight the war with the military you have not the military you want.

[Captain Jin]

You've done occupation type stuff since Veracruz. US Army forces are not meant for occupation type stuff either. But you fight the war with the military you have not the military you want.

We're only there if there's insurgents! The army is perfect for occupation. There's a ton of soldiers capable of providing stability and security operations whereas with the Corps we have far less. Sure, we have 3 active divisions, but we only have 9 infantry regiments. That's roughly 32,000 infantry. And that's hoping, it's probably closer to 28,000. That's not a suitable amount for occupation.

[Farnan]

We're only there if there's insurgents! The army is perfect for occupation. There's a ton of soldiers capable of providing stability and security operations whereas with the Corps we have far less. Sure, we have 3 active divisions, but we only have 9 infantry regiments. That's roughly 32,000 infantry. And that's hoping, it's probably closer to 28,000. That's not a suitable amount for occupation.

True, but our force structure in the Army is geared towards offensive war structure. Its hard to do occupation with an Abrams...

We should just leave occupation to the MPs, save the combat troops for offensive war.

[Captain Jin]

Marine Corps is getting rid of MPs. PMO is now going to be civilians. Transition will be a few years.

[Farnan]

Marine Corps is getting rid of MPs. PMO is now going to be civilians. Transition will be a few years.

WHAT?

As stupid as making NCIS civilian...

Well Army MPs aren't really MPs as much now adays as security for the rear, defending convoys and the like.

[Captain Jin]

WHAT?

As stupid as making NCIS civilian...

Well Army MPs aren't really MPs as much now adays as security for the rear, defending convoys and the like.

I think we'll still have field MPs, but PMO is going civvie. We're getting rid of admin and cooks too, theyre going to be civilians too!

[Thanatos]

My Older brother was in the Marines and said the Army got the newer stuff.Had a uncle who served in Nam to btw,Airborne.

Don't get mad at the Army, get mad at the management. They're the ones allocating the money every year.