[Decision] CdeC member badge

[Каие]

Proposed by: ЯoMe kb8
Supporters: Shyam, Pontifex, Voltaire le Philosophe

I hereby propose that all elected Members of the CdeC shall receive a badge to display in their profiles and retinue. They are more than the average citizen. Chosen from amongst them, by them and to represent increase their numbers and keep them in line.


[Badge made by the great Guy]

I don't see why they don't already. The CdeC is the elected body responsible for Citizen induction, removal and discipline and ratifying honorary ranks and medals. It is a directly elected position and one of relatively high prestige at that. I believe they should receive a badge to display to other members that they are members of the CdeC and were personally chosen by popular vote.

More importantly, they need to be recognised as important members and as members of the CdeC in the main forum, this will make it easier.

In addition, I believe it will serve to diversify the number of badges [after the introduction of the separate art staff from content staff badges, why stop there] and may even act as an incentive for other members to not only aim for citizenship but aim to contribute positively to the running of the site. It may seem silly, but some people are in fact motivated by badges, a visible object to show off. Finally, it will just serve as a general aesthetic addition.


Not a technical expert on these matters, but I reckon adding a badge to display won't be too hard [since the badge is already made]. I mean the Art staff one was done pretty quickly. I assume it will be done similar to the current Citizen and Librarian/Wiki Staff models, where a member of the said group in the group membership section has the option to display a badge or not. If possible it could be done as a 'permanent' badge like the moderator ones, so a member can display both that and another one.


Here's the official proposed bill/motion.

Member of the CdeC badge

The following badge will be made available for members of the CdeC to display. It should be available as a 'permanent badge' so it can be displayed along with another badge just in case.

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Support (suggestion: call it 'Councillor'?)

[Soulghast]

That's nice. Support.(Why make separate bills though? You could have put them all in a single badge addition bill).

[Pontifex Maximus]

Here's a question-

Say a Senior moderator is a councilor. Will this badge also appear, as it used to with Speaker of the house, under the senior moderator badge?

When Pann was speaker his default usergroup was senior moderator, but the Speaker Badge appeared underneath it, is that how it would work for moderators? I take my CdeC role seriously, but I think that being known and appearing as a moderator is more important to the community.

[Soulghast]

Here's a question-

Say a Senior moderator is a councilor. Will this badge also appear, as it used to with Speaker of the house, under the senior moderator badge?

When Pann was speaker his default usergroup was senior moderator, but the Speaker Badge appeared underneath it, is that how it would work for moderators? I take my CdeC role seriously, but I think that being known and appearing as a moderator is more important to the community.

Well, as it is now, there have been some 2-badged members at times, but it looked very lame. So, unless the badge template is changed to a much smaller one, I guess you will have to choose on of the 2, which should be the senior mod one in my opinion, as moderators need to be easily distinguished, to avoid confusion.

[Каие]

Well, as it is now, there have been some 2-badged members at times, but it looked very lame. So, unless the badge template is changed to a much smaller one, I guess you will have to choose on of the 2, which should be the senior mod one in my opinion, as moderators need to be easily distinguished, to avoid confusion.

Still, it's still possible and should be left to the discretion of the badge holders, and besides the problem could be rectified in the new Empire skin.

[Mímirswell]

Consiliarii Patri¹ (Advisers to the Fathers)

Given that the process is still called Patronization, the CDC members are literally advisers to the fathers, judging for them those who they would pick as their sons/clients.

1. This should be the right form but if I'm wrong, I'm sure Sim will correct me.

[Каие]

That's nice. Support.(Why make separate bills though? You could have put them all in a single badge addition bill).

I did it separately as some one may be for the CdeC badge and for the Tribune one, but not for the Magistrate one. It would allow for better flexibility.

Support (suggestion: call it 'Councillor'?)

Do you think so? Instead of 'Member of the CdeC" just put "Councillor" [as in Councillor de Civitate?] I'll see what others think. It could always be changed later I guess.

Also thanks for you support guys.

Here's a question-

Say a Senior moderator is a councilor. Will this badge also appear, as it used to with Speaker of the house, under the senior moderator badge?

When Pann was speaker his default usergroup was senior moderator, but the Speaker Badge appeared underneath it, is that how it would work for moderators? I take my CdeC role seriously, but I think that being known and appearing as a moderator is more important to the community.

That was my original thought. Since both jobs are equally important to some members, they should be able to have it as a permanent badge, therefore displaying more than one. I outlined here.

If possible it could be done as a 'permanent' badge like the moderator ones, so a member can display both that and another one.

I could amend the bill too.

[Каие]

So you're suggesting I change the name of the badge?

[Soulghast]

So you're suggesting I change the name of the badge?

The badge name has to correspond with the name of the actual rank, which is Consilium de Civitate councillor, or member. In order for such a name to be put in the badge, the CdeC members would have to be renamed, via another bill, to avoid confusion.

[Каие]

The badge name has to correspond with the name of the actual rank, which is Consilium de Civitate councillor, or member. In order for such a name to be put in the badge, the CdeC members would have to be renamed, via another bill, to avoid confusion.

Ah right ok I get it in order to put ''Consiliarii Patri'' we must amend the constitution, but just to put "Member of the CdeC" is alright?

I agree with Ludwig- I should display this badge first and foremost, but then again I have been getting PMs ever since my election from members asking my who was on the CdeC, so recognition for the CdeC is important as well. I remember frustration before I was a citizen trying to recognize them.

I honestly don't care if I have two badges. My posts will be stretched though...

That was my reckoning when proposing it, I'll add it to the OP.

edit: I have made the relevant editions to the official bill proposal to allow it to be simultaneously used with another one.

[Mímirswell]

So you're suggesting I change the name of the badge?

Yes. It's long and doesn't fit well thematically with the Consilium de Civitate.

The badge name has to correspond with the name of the actual rank, which is Consilium de Civitate councillor, or member. In order for such a name to be put in the badge, the CdeC members would have to be renamed, via another bill, to avoid confusion.

A badge is not required to be synchronous with rank name though logically it's a good idea to do so. Note that regular members have no badge despite being called Peregrinus and in fact, the only mention of badges is the citizen rank. Senior Moderators official name is "Strategos" and Staff Moderators (no mention of junior or global) are called "Tribounos".

Now, it is a good idea to rename the rank with whatever the name on the badge is but it's by no means necessary (of course, it's not even necessary to pass a bill to institute a new badge either though perhaps it should be).

[Pontifex Maximus]

I agree with Ludwig- I should display this badge first and foremost, but then again I have been getting PMs ever since my election from members asking my who was on the CdeC, so recognition for the CdeC is important as well. I remember frustration before I was a citizen trying to recognize them.

I honestly don't care if I have two badges. My posts will be stretched though...

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Support. The more the better.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Ok, I support now.

[Каие]

Yes. It's long and doesn't fit well thematically with the Consilium de Civitate.

A badge is not required to be synchronous with rank name though logically it's a good idea to do so. Note that regular members have no badge despite being called Peregrinus and in fact, the only mention of badges is the citizen rank. Senior Moderators official name is "Strategos" and Staff Moderators (no mention of junior or global) are called "Tribounos".

Now, it is a good idea to rename the rank with whatever the name on the badge is but it's by no means necessary (of course, it's not even necessary to pass a bill to institute a new badge either though perhaps it should be).

If that's the case, we might as well stick to the plan rather than confuse matters or amending the constitution.

[gigagaia]

Having lots of badges is quite pretty, but it also introduces some confusion etc... for new members. As long as the CdC badge is consistent with citizenship badges (same colour, font) that does help matters.

[Каие]

Well it is the same colour and the Idea is, if possible, to allow it to be displayed beside another badge.

[Halie Satanus]

I don't see why they don't already. The CdeC is the elected body responsible for Citizen induction, removal and discipline and ratifying honorary ranks and medals. It is a directly elected position and one of relatively high prestige at that. I believe they should receive a badge to display to other members that they are members of the CdeC and were personally chosen by popular vote.

The CdeC are not members of staff. Since such great lengths were taken to remove all non staff badges why add another that means nothing to the vast majority of members. Might as well give badges to guys who run RPG's.

Opposed.

[Каие]

The CdeC are not members of staff. Since such great lengths were taken to remove all non staff badges why add another that means nothing to the vast majority of members. Might as well give badges to guys who run RPG's.

Opposed.

Why do we have three Citizen badges then? Are Librarians staff? I, obviously, disagree. I believe people do want it, both as a position and something to work towards, as well as a matter of presentation. In addition as Pontifex put;

but then again I have been getting PMs ever since my election from members asking my who was on the CdeC, so recognition for the CdeC is important as well. I remember frustration before I was a citizen trying to recognize them.

There is no great harm or major problems associated with it....except generally preference or taste over aesthetics and style.