enought with the terrorism

[KING OF TWC!]

my people, my brave brave sheeple fellow americans

there is an evil lurking
looming in the house of repersentatives

2 laws are troubleing us all!

1 is the national ID act

and the other is the north american union!

are youi afraid?!

are you so scared of terrorism
you have passedthe patriot act?
are you so scared of death?
are you so scared we need spend 540 billion dollars on national defense?!
mainly against terrorism!?

30000 people die in car related deaths...but do you give up your cars?

while only 4000 have died in a terrorist attack

and you give up your freedom?

RISE UP
FIGHT
REVOLT

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

[foxnds]

my people, my brave brave sheeple fellow americans

there is an evil lurking
looming in the house of repersentatives

2 laws are troubleing us all!

1 is the national ID act

and the other is the north american union!

are youi afraid?!

are you so scared of terrorism
you have passedthe patriot act?
are you so scared of death?
are you so scared we need spend 540 billion dollars on national defense?!
mainly against terrorism!?

30000 people die in car related deaths...but do you give up your cars?

while only 4000 have died in a terrorist attack

and you give up your freedom?

RISE UP
FIGHT
REVOLT

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

this from A hezbola supporter.

We should do something about the patriot act butt it doesn't infringe on my rights and real ID is rejected by my state constitution.

[Martin N]

I predict the word conspiracy soon

Fox your misguided, Patriot act does, it grossly infringes our rights, It destroy habeus corpus which basically stops the government from coming to your house and jailing you for life for nothing, They can spy on you and search your house without needing a warrant, They can search your internet records and emails without you knowing, want more ? they can follow you around, tap your phones, do anything they want, and nvm they could, they are its admitted that bush has already abused terrorism laws.

[foxnds]

I predict the word conspiracy soon

Fox your misguided, Patriot act does, it grossly infringes our rights, It destroy habeus corpus which basically stops the government from coming to your house and jailing you for life for nothing, They can spy on you and search your house without needing a warrant, They can search your internet records and emails without you knowing, want more ? they can follow you around, tap your phones, do anything they want, and nvm they could, they are its admitted that bush has already abused terrorism laws.

I really haven't read the patriot act but doesn't that only apply if your A foreigner and I'm pretty sure that the they can legally wire tape you if your talking to some one out of the country.

[the_mango55]

are you so scared of death?
are you so scared we need spend 540 billion dollars on national defense?!
mainly against terrorism!?

Uh, no, defense was well over 300 billion dollars in 2001, before the terrorist attacks, and before we were fighting 2 wars.

Only one of the wars is against terrorism, not even the largest one.

[Strattios]

It won't help to call for a revolution in a foreign language here.

As for the Patriot act, at least we don't have cameras every where. And how many times has the government even used those tapped calls against anyone?

The national ID act is a great idea, kind of... I think everyone should have there fingerprints on record, possibly even DNA so that when something happens (discovery of a desceased body, crime, etc.) it will be easier to sort out.

For the defense spending; it isn't only terrorists. Remember WW1? WW2? Korea? Vietnam? Both Gulf wars? The list goes on. Who would help the US if we got attacked? Canada or Mexico? Their nations are reliant on ours for defense. Britain, France or other Western European nations? Not likely. Russia or China? They're some of the few nation even capable of attacking us. The only nations that would be most likely to support us would be new Democracies such as those in Eastern Europe or nations that are close to us such as Israel. All of which are rather small and have their own threats nearby to worry about.

End result; we still have freedoms that surpass everyone else and of every nation we are the most capable of defending those freedoms.

Fox your misguided, Patriot act does, it grossly infringes our rights, It destroy habeus corpus which basically stops the government from coming to your house and jailing you for life for nothing, They can spy on you and search your house without needing a warrant, They can search your internet records and emails without you knowing, want more ? they can follow you around, tap your phones, do anything they want, and nvm they could, they are its admitted that bush has already abused terrorism laws.

Sorry Martin, but you don't have enough experience. The government (especially damn state prosecutors) have been doing warrantless searches for ages. They just get a judge to issue one as soon as someome complains. This is illeagal yet most people, even highclass lawyers don't argue the fact.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

For the first time I have to agree with Ghazi. The Defense Budget in the US is overly inflated and the Patriot Act is a blatant attack on civil liberties; that many did not raise against it shows people stopped caring for it or would rather live more "safely".

Now I don't know about the National ID and NA Union to speak about it, but...

[KING OF TWC!]

exactly!
alchohol abuse causes more deaths then terrorism
so do cars?

but do we give up our cars?
no because for convienece we would rather live with the danger!

we are destroying the constitiution

So what if I'm a Hezbollah supporter

I also am an american citizen with no less say or deservence then you (if your American)

The national ID act is a great idea, kind of... I think everyone should have there fingerprints on record, possibly even DNA so that when something happens (discovery of a desceased body, crime, etc.) it will be easier to sort out.

believe me this would be great
it would stop alot of crime
catch criminals
but is it worth going against our constitution

As for the Patriot act, at least we don't have cameras every where. And how many times has the government even used those tapped calls against anyone?

regardless
the sheer fact they can is against the constitution

dont get my arguement messed up I am not fighitng this on moral or practical grounds

i am fighting this on the grounds of freedom epitomized in the constituion

ok so 300 billion before
then 240 billion?

so 240 BILLION MORE DOLLARS

in reaction to 3000 deaths

whille
somewhere aroudn 300,000 people die in the US over heart problems and that only gets 50 billion dollars

Im not saying they should regulate mc donalds but
you dont see people giving up their mc donalds!!
you dont see people calling for the ban of lard in all food

not that they should but our compasses are messed up

[foxnds]

exactly!
alchohol abuse causes more deaths then terrorism
so do cars?

but do we give up our cars?
no because for convienece we would rather live with the danger!

we are destroying the constitiution

So what if I'm a Hezbollah supporter

I also am an american citizen with no less say or deservence then you (if your American)




believe me this would be great
it would stop alot of crime
catch criminals
but is it worth going against our constitution




regardless
the sheer fact they can is against the constitution

dont get my arguement messed up I am not fighitng this on moral or practical grounds

i am fighting this on the grounds of freedom epitomized in the constituion

ok so 300 billion before
then 240 billion?

so 240 BILLION MORE DOLLARS

in reaction to 3000 deaths

whille
somewhere aroudn 300,000 people die in the US over heart problems and that only gets 50 billion dollars

Im not saying they should regulate mc donalds but
you dont see people giving up their mc donalds!!
you dont see people calling for the ban of lard in all food

not that they should but our compasses are messed up

its A terrorist organization

doe you also support Al Qaeda

[Heathen Hammer]

For some reason I see warmongering american politicians to be a much bigger threat to me, than a bunch of AK-wielding militants on the other side of the world.

[Farnan]

The US spends less on defense as a percent of GPA then during the peacetime military under Reagan... And we're at war.

[KING OF TWC!]

For the defense spending; it isn't only terrorists. Remember WW1? WW2? Korea? Vietnam? Both Gulf wars? The list goes on. Who would help the US if we got attacked? Canada or Mexico? Their nations are reliant on ours for defense. Britain, France or other Western European nations? Not likely. Russia or China? They're some of the few nation even capable of attacking us. The only nations that would be most likely to support us would be new Democracies such as those in Eastern Europe or nations that are close to us such as Israel. All of which are rather small and have their own threats nearby to worry about.

please tell me a single country that can conventionally beat the US

we dont need UN or NATO

but thats a different subject

The US spends less on defense as a percent of GPA then during the peacetime military under Reagan... And we're at war.

regan was at war..

the cold war
which was a money war

which makes sense

[foxnds]

please tell me a single country that can conventionally beat the US

we dont need UN or NATO

but thats a different subject



regan was at war..

the cold war
which was a money war

which makes sense

I agree we don't need NATO or the UN butt they need us.

[KING OF TWC!]

I really haven't read the patriot act but doesn't that only apply if your A foreigner and I'm pretty sure that the they can legally wire tape you if your talking to some one out of the country.

Nope
only after the patriot act was created

[KING OF TWC!]

We can debate the legitmacy of Hezbollah if you'd like

just make a thread
or in the FIGHT CLUB!!

[foxnds]

We can debate the legitmacy of Hezbollah if you'd like

just make a thread
or in the FIGHT CLUB!!

Why debt it is one if it walks like duck a talks like a it is A duck.

[KING OF TWC!]

What obligation is the UN or Nato to us?
Taft wanted out and I agree

why debt it?

because I need a new s rwitt

[foxnds]

What obligation is the UN or Nato to us?
Taft wanted out and I agree

why debt it?

because I need a new s rwitt

we dont have an obligation i want out of the UN and realy dont care about NATO.

[Naturalist]

@fox -No, it's not. Stop being off topic.

Hopefully Sr. Obama will overturn some things via executive order once he gets in office.

[foxnds]

@fox -No, it's not. Stop being off topic.

Hopefully Sr. Obama will overturn some things via executive order once he gets in office.

Im not offtopic its A its A terrorist organization and HES talking about terrorism


I wouldnt count on it from Obama/