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    This is going to destroy any chance of near term prosperity if this socialistic cabal takes over Canada through a political coup d'état. The Libs and NDP are going to run massive budget deficit, build a few boondoggles, bail out unprofitable companies and give the future generations crappy state owned industries and massive debt. I bought stocks recently on the TSX, and I'm concerned I'm going to lose equity for non-market reasons. If this goes through, I garuantee that the Canadian dollar will lose 10% of its value to the other major currencies in one day. And then it will be nothing but down.

    I hope to god the Governor General puts an end to this, before Canada starts looking like Italy with a ridiculous coalition system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikinWest View Post
    The Libs and NDP are going to run massive budget deficit, build a few boondoggles, bail out unprofitable companies and give the future generations crappy state owned industries and massive debt.
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    All conservative governments on earth need to be wiped out. FREEDOM FOR ALL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    All conservative governments on earth need to be wiped out. FREEDOM FOR ALL!
    Not in Canada...Just trust me on this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Fanatic :) View Post
    Not in Canada...Just trust me on this one
    Its hard to judge because harper is the best guy for PM, but conservative policies are SO bad..

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    Harper screwed his own pooch calling an election...early enough in the mandate, while the Liberals were down, to attempt a majority which they did not get; now a perfectly legal democratic(Liberal, NDP, Bloc MPs) system of parlimentarism kicks in. Who said Canadian politics is boring...

    The funny thing is with Dion on his way out Canada may have Rae as Primeminister in a Lib/NDP coalition.....no one saw this coming. Long live CCF.

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    So parliament has been suspended, a confidence vote avoided. Harper now has an opportunity to create a budget which will be so full of unattainable public promises that the opposition party will have no other option but to support him.

    I have to say, why so many people think an election is favourable to the coalition. All this of not respecting the electorate is just outlandish. If anything the coalition does exactly what the electorate wanted. This was an opportunity for Canada to be led by a group willing to compromise and work together and our GG dashed away any hope of getting a competent government. She has utterly failed our country.

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    There are 2 groups of conservatives in Canada, the Progressive conservatives (center right) and the Bush like conservatives (far right) mostly present out west who were once known as the Reform party. They merged in the hope to form a party capable of getting enough votes to take power. The Conservatives under Harper have been marginalizing the former PC members, so much so that i fully expect to see the right fracture in the near future unless Harper is replaced with a more moderate leader.

    The Quebec separatists are currently estimated at 30% of the province's population. Many people who have been voting for the Bloc these past few elections have been doing so not because they are separatists but because they dislike the other options. Liberals lost much of their support with the sponsorship scandals and the recent turning into an NPD clone is not going to help them get their support back. Harper is seen as a mini Bush and frightens quite a few people here. He's confirming the perception many Quebecers have of him with his recent actions which makes it unlikely that his support will grow in the province and that much more difficult for him to get a majority government. People have been voting for the least worse option and at the moment that option is the Bloc.

    Support for separation in Quebec is much lower than what some people would have you believe, what most Quebecers want is a decentralized government that doesn't stick it's nose in provincial affairs. The recent events probably won't have much of an effect on the support for separation, but it is a good opportunity to make some changes in how government work and decentralize power.

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    I'm fired up!

    I went to the Coalition 'Yes' Rally in Ottawa today. The three opposition leaders spoke, and they gave excellent speeches. Yes, even Dion.

    Between 2000-3000 supporters went.

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    Harper wrong on democracy claims, experts say
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081203/harper_undemocratic_081204/20081204?hub=Politics

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Harper wrong on democracy claims: experts

    Updated Thu. Dec. 4 2008 5:59 PM ET
    By Jim Brown, The Canadian Press
    OTTAWA -- If there's one point on which Stephen Harper has been adamant, it's his claim that the opposition politicians trying to strip him of power are undermining democracy.
    "The Canadian government has always been chosen by the people," the prime minister declared in his mid-week televised address to the country.
    But now, he told viewers, a coalition of opposition parties is trying to oust him through a backroom deal "without your say, without your consent and without your vote."
    Just how valid is Harper's claim that changing governments without a new election would be undemocratic?
    "It's politics, it's pure rhetoric," said Ned Franks, a retired Queen's University expert on parliamentary affairs. "Everything that's been happening is both legal and constitutional."
    Other scholars are virtually unanimous in their agreement. They say Harper's populist theory of democracy is more suited to a U.S.-style presidential system, in which voters cast ballots directly for a national leader, than it is to Canadian parliamentary democracy.
    "He's appealing to people who learned their civics from American television," said Henry Jacek, a political scientist at McMaster University.
    Harper signed similar document in 2004
    In Canada, there's no national vote for prime minister. People elect MPs in 308 ridings, and a government holds power only as long as it has the support of a majority of those MPs.
    "We have a rule that the licence to govern is having the confidence of the House of Commons," said Peter Russell, a former University of Toronto professor and adviser to past governors general.
    "I'm sorry, that's the rule. If they want to change it to having a public opinion poll, we'd have to reform and rewrite our Constitution."
    Harper himself signed a letter to then-Governor General Adrienne Clarkson in 2004, claiming the right to form a government if Paul Martin's minority Liberals could be defeated in a confidence vote in the Commons.
    His ostensible partners would have been NDP Leader Jack Layton and Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe -- now derided by Harper as the "socialist" and the "separatist" in Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's coalition.
    "I was just as much a sovereigntist then as I am now," Duceppe sniffed Thursday in a reference to Harper's new-found aversion to any deals with the Bloc.
    Such facts are conveniently forgotten by some members of Harper's cabinet who have been even more vocal than their boss in the current crisis.
    Revenue Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn has characterized the opposition effort to bring down the Tories as a "coup d'etat."
    Transport Minister John Baird spoke Thursday of the need for the Conservatives to go "over the heads" of both Parliament and Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean to take their case straight to the people.
    There's no doubt the central Harper claim -- that he can't legitimately be dumped from office without a new election -- is dead wrong, said Jonathan Rose, a Queen's University political scientist.
    But as a communications strategy it has the virtue of being simple, direct and powerful.
    "He's using this bludgeon of an argument (but) most people just see the word democracy and have some intuitive connection to it," said Rose.
    By contrast, the theory and practice of parliamentary confidence and responsible cabinet government take some explaining.
    But Harper may have undermined his own effort Thursday with his visit to the Governor General to get permission to shut down Parliament for seven weeks.
    It was the only way he could dodge a confidence vote that would have toppled his government next Monday. But it also presented the Liberals, NDP and Bloc with a ready-made response to the prime minister's claim of democratic superiority.
    "You need something visceral and simple," said Rose. "The opposition metaphor of locking the doors to Parliament does it. I think people understand that."


    This is what I've been trying to get through. Electing a leader is US-style politics. This is Canada.

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    Yeah, I saw the BBC news report were he accused the coallition of being 'undemocratic'. That was a kicker for me, it's the height of democracy, 3 groups with different ideals coming together to try make some good of a situation.

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