Where does all this hate for Israel come from?

[Astaroth]

Why is hate for Israel so widely spread amongst many westerners? Why do so many, especially those on the left side of the political spectrum, constantly criticise the Israelis for literally everything they do while seeing all Palestinian actions through rose-colored glasses? Apparently, whatever Israel (also known as Mordor Reborn) does is considered murder, genocide and imperialism whereas Palestinian terrorists are freedom fighters.

Obviously neither side is innocent - of course Israel has comitted crimes against innocent people. However, the one-sided viewpoint so many have simply makes me sick. One argument often brought up goes along the lines of "Everyone supports the evil Israelis, it's only fair that some of us help those poor, supressed Palestinians". However, that seems to be very far away from the truth. If anything, the amount of Palestine supporters is much bigger than that of those who accept that -- just maybe -- Israel isn't all that bad. Another thing that majorly annoys me is the very much simplified and false picture many people have in their mind. From talking to many leftists and having a look at some political cartoons, I got the impression that many of them have a very flawed image of what is going on in Israel. This is a rough, perhaps slightly exaggerated summary of what I've heard from several different people (in my school and elsewhere:

The Palestinians had a nice, beautiful, independent country. A massive, evil Israeli army (led by the Witch-King, it seems) came with tanks and machine guns, took the land, killed the people, murdered the babies. Now Israeli soldiers go around killing Palestinians for fun and all those do is defending their families and homes against the evil invaders. The Israeli are obviously supported by the even-more-evil-and-imperialistic-and-(guess what)-EVIL³ US which plans to mass-murder everyone in gas chambers. Apparently, Israel is the Fourth Reich.

As everyone will agree, this has nothing to do with reality. Why do so many people fail to accept that Israel has been existing for a long time already and won't simply go away? That Palestine has never been an actual country before the first jews came in the late 19th century and that there wasn't a Palestinian country when Israel was founded? Why don't they realize that the Palestinians had the chance to form their own country back when Israel was founded as well and that they did not accept the UN partiation plan? That Israel has been founded 60 years ago and that most of its military actions were simply defensive measures against attacks by its Muslim neighbors? I fully accept that many actions by Israel were not just and that killing civilians is never the right thing to do. However, people need to realize that everything is not that easy when terrorists keep attacking your citizens, when suicide attacks take place all the time. It is easy to condemn attacks on terrorists that cost civilian lives as well when it is not your neighborhood which is attacked by Hamas.

No side is innocent in this conflict and I am sick of this ridiculous, one-sided "Israel=evil, Palestinian terrorists=freedom fighters" - image. Israel has to do more for an independant Palestinian state and the rights of the civilian Palestinians. However, the terror has to end. It is no solution to anything, terrorism will never remove Israel from the map. The Palestinians have to accept that Israel will not go away, they have to move on. If the terrorists stop with their futile attacks, the violence will end, Israel will no longer be forced to use force either.
Is it too much to expect people to look at this in a less one-sided way? Is it too much to ask for an end to this pointless Israel bashing?

Where does all of this hate for Israel actually come from? Is it just a general dislike for anything linked to the US? Is it based on supporting the "little guy" which is of course always popular? What other reasons are there?

[dogukan]

West doesn't hate Israel....it is obvious that many actions Israel commit are crimes. Though if you look at the issue differently, there are parts they are right.
I personally like Israel just because it's an advanced country compared to her neighbours. They're giving Palestine very very hard times as well as taking away from them for years now. People tend to like weak people more in these cases
Israel should stop her expansionist policies and let he Palestinians live their lifes as they would in their country.
In Israel people must trust the army a lot as they have lots of enemies. Military-minded people use it a lot....army has/defence policies are too strict.


PS:I'd personally migrate to Israel if was a Palestinian.....much more oppurtunities.

[Henry of Grosmont]

Israel should stop her expansionist policies and let he Palestinians live their lifes as they would in their country.

First, Israel doesn't have expansionist policy. And the second part of your sentence shows how little you know about the situation.
All in all, I'm far from saying that we're always right. Surely, we up as well. But all these talks about nazi, racist, military, (put some other epithet here) regime make me sick. That's why I, mostly, refrain from posting in Israeli-Palestinian threads.

@ OP

Where does all this hate for Israel come from?

From these kind of threads, for example. More seriously though, it goes back in history. I don't have a time right now, but if you're interested in history, we'll have discussion. If it's another anti/pro-Israeli thread, I'm affraid, we won't.

[Neptulon]

Anybody who hate Isreal should read some books. I like israel, maybe theve done soem abd things to muslims, but its nothing to what the muslims would have done to them.

The while palestina-israel conflict could been avoided if it wasnt for the fking muslims. Unfortunaely for them they got owned by Israels army of mainly teenagers, that was ALOT moore few than them. Today they might cry, but 50 years ago they were hoping to rape jew women.

[Heinz Guderian]

They killed Jesus.

[Trey]

They killed Jesus.

I even heard they were trying to pawn it off on Pontius Pilate lately.

[Neptulon]

That is true. The jew wanted to live side by side with the Muslims, like jerusalem today. But back in thoose days the Muslims was in a better position.
The muslims created the war becuase they knew they were gonna win. But they warfared miserable and lost against about 10 000 jewish teenagers.
Their armys moral was mostly made up by the hopes of all the jewish women they were about to rape.

Everybody should read Exodus.

[Heinz Guderian]

The muslims created the war becuase they knew they were gonna win. But they warfared miserable and lost against about 10 000 jewish teenagers.

more like 1 million armed WW2 veterans.

Their armys moral was mostly made up by the hopes of all the jewish women they were about to rape.

was that is an arab Why We Fight movie?

Everybody should read Exodus.

is that the one where they kill Jesus?

[Neptulon]

more like 1 million armed WW2 veterans.
was that is an arab Why We Fight movie?
is that the one where they kill Jesus?

All your comments are so pathetic, im not even gonna take my time to disprove them.
Ive read countless of books about these wars, from both the sides. What do you know about this conflict and from where?

Before the jew came to the coast it was a land full of desert and marches. Today its green and full of agriculture. Guess who made that?

And Im from Sweden and have nothing in common with Israel, I just feel bad for them. So you dont have to accuse me for Nationalistic dickwaving later on.

You know its funny, that if all themuslims shared their money, they would live as good as anyone else thanks to all their oil. With that money they could start farming their desert lands like in Israel, but this has never happened. Its hard to know why, my guess is that they are all retarded.

[Heinz Guderian]

All your comments are so pathetic, im not even gonna take my time to disprove them.

c'mon man, dont be like that

Ive read countless of books about these wars, from both the sides. What do you know about this conflict and from where?

Everybody should read Exodus.

Was one of those books Exodus?

[Neptulon]

yoU're right untill the bold part but then WTF?!!?!?! How can all Muslim be retarded....when someone chooses the path of Islam they suddenly become retarded? Are all the Muslims same Tatooine people, riding camels and not cleaning sand from their ***....do they all live in huts in deserts? Is ME made up of oil and deserts? Thinking like that is more retarded.

Ofcurse I meant that the muslims aint retarded becuase of their religion, just their muslim culture. Their culture that builds on their religion. The culutre that sta´nds for suicide bombing, Jihads, family honor and murdering of unhonorfull daughters.

[dogukan]

Ofcurse I meant that the muslims aint retarded becuase of their religion, just their muslim culture. Their culture that builds on their religion. The culutre that sta´nds for suicide bombing, Jihads, family honor and murdering of unhonorfull daughters.

suicide bombing is result of terrorism not Islam

Jihad is a concept that is extremely(really extremely) misused.....

family honor is for those who can not update themselves to today...it's not a must of reliigon. It's created by people. It's very rare where I live...only in eastern rural areas of my country.

I know what you mean in the end though but please use your words more carefully. You see I'm not a belvier but I'm in this society.....and I know it's not the same in every part of the world. Islam in Iraq, Islam in Turkey, Islam in Iran they're all different. To be more spesific, even Islam in Hakkari(an eastern proveince of my country) and Islam in Ankara and Islam in Istanbul is different. It's just about the people and education in the bottom line.

[Norge]

more like 1 million armed WW2 veterans.

Oh come on! The vastly outnumbered Israelis demolished your fellow Muslims to the point where their economy went trough a complete collapse, not once, but twice.

The Israelis achieved in 30 years what the Muslims haven't achieved in a 1000 years, a democracy in the Middle East.

[dogukan]

Oh come on! The vastly outnumbered Israelis demolished your fellow Muslims to the point where their economy completely collapsed afterwards, not once, but twice.

The Israelis achieved in 30 years what the Muslims haven't achieved in a 1000 years, a democracy in the Middle East.

Not really, Ottomans were a constitutional monarchy in the early 20th century and then a state led by a party...after the indepedance war Turkey was also a half democracy....and by the end of second world war Turkey was a democracy.

And whats with generalizsn this to WHOLE Muslims scale?

[cottontail]

In my opinion,Palestine gets far too much worldly attention at the expense of other countries and people who are really facing hardship (like I have stated before, Sudan, as well as others). Yes, Israel has not treated Palestine the best over the years. However, much of the blame can be placed on the shoulders of the Palestinians, who absolutely refuse to progress, educate themselves, and expand their economy like their foe, Israel, has. Instead, they continually whine about how Israel and The West treats them so badly. If they chose to actually modernize, then they would get more sympathy from me. Until then, I will care little for their plight. And until then, I think that we should stop posting threads about Israel and Palestine: everything that needs to be said has been said already.

[Acco]

Oh come on! The vastly outnumbered Israelis

I'm guessing you are referring to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War? Anyways, the Israeli forces contained (according to Israel) 115,000 soldiers while the Arab forces contained (according to Israeli numbers) around 64,000 soldiers.

The Israelis achieved in 30 years what the Muslims haven't achieved in a 1000 years, a democracy in the Middle East.

And...the Muslims achieved to create coffee, distilled water, early restaurents and three course meals, syrup, artifical jems and pearls, matchlock muskets, the early design (not implementation) of the torpedo, petrol, street lights, tar roads, hair dye, degree-granting universities, jury trial, observatory, lending library, public hospital, the combination lock, fountain pen, cough medicine, compass rose, astrolabe, caravel, a primitive version of a parachute....all of these in the Medieval age.

Your turn...

[Georgy Zhukov]

And...the Muslims achieved to create coffee, distilled water, early restaurents and three course meals, syrup, artifical jems and pearls, matchlock muskets, the early design (not implementation) of the torpedo, petrol, street lights, tar roads, hair dye, degree-granting universities, jury trial, observatory, lending library, public hospital, the combination lock, fountain pen, cough medicine, compass rose, astrolabe, caravel, a primitive version of a parachute....all of these in the Medieval age.

Your turn...

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.
Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.
An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper
administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.
Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free." According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people - as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

Considering for a nation thats been around for 60 years and has a population of 7 millions its a lot.

[roy34543]

Well from a symbolic point of view you could make many cases against Israel, but not many from a practical one, with the exception of jordan most of Israels neighbours treat the palestinians even worse then Israel does, especially lebanon.

That is true. The jew wanted to live side by side with the Muslims, like jerusalem today. But back in thoose days the Muslims was in a better position.
The muslims created the war becuase they knew they were gonna win. But they warfared miserable and lost against about 10 000 jewish teenagers.
Their armys moral was mostly made up by the hopes of all the jewish women they were about to rape

Just to be fair, Numerically speaking the Israelis did outnumber the muslim armies (Since every male of fighting age was enlisted in Israel) but the muslim armies were far , far more advanced at the time. Basically a reversed position from today.

[Norge]

Leftist propaganda and ignorance.

[nce_wht_guy]

Leftist propaganda and ignorance.

Really, it was the rape of the palestinian people that did it for me.