constant revolts

[littleman174]

IM tired of the constant revolts. After awile it takes away from the game and is the #1 reason people stop playing. And the highest negative feedback on the internet and related sites like amazon. Can a moder address this problem and fix it. Dont want to stop revolts, just put some damn sanity in it

[Yojimbo]

IM tired of the constant revolts. After awile it takes away from the game and is the #1 reason people stop playing. And the highest negative feedback on the internet and related sites like amazon. Can a moder address this problem and fix it. Dont want to stop revolts, just put some damn sanity in it

Its manageable. Just move your capital to a central potion as close to the middle of your empire as you can to try and lessen the distance to capital penalty, If that doesn't work and you've built all the happiness temples and got a good garrison and not a governor with horrible traits just pull your troops back let them rebel and then attack the settlement and exterminate it. They wont rebel again for a looooong time. Some places like Jerusalem are just naturally rebellious tho.

[Entropy Judge]

Are you garrisoning the cities? Do you have high Influence governors in problem cities? Also, I disagree with Forlornhop3 on which temple to build: Happiness Temples tend to have the single highest bonus, but they don't give the best bonus. For example, the Julii Temple of Happiness (Bacchus, IIRC, but I could be wrong) at its highest level gives a 10 bonus to Happiness and a 2 bonus to Law (50 and 10). The Temple of Law, on the other hand (Jupiter) gives a 7 bonus to Happiness and a 5 bonus to Law (35 and 25). Same numbers, but the higher Law bonus will do better things for the city, and for the Governor (if present).

[aznflea]

building health buildings also help a little. garrisons are crucial. buildingsp easants increase garrison and decrease population so it increases happiness alot

[Lord Dakier]

Mass Genocide!

[Sextus Molestus]

What milord Dakier said...a good genocide never hurt anyone (important).

[Lord Dakier]

Hech... I mass Genocided the Pontic Capital. Ive never seen people so happy after it lol.

[Drustan]

There are two large factors in controlling settlements, population and garrison.

-To control a population, mass recruit peasants and move them to a province which requires economic growth, then disband them (This makes them instantly move to the nearest town). If no such province exists, send them on a perilous boat journey with deadly pirates.

-To garrison a town, build barracks, then move in troops. In my experience, it's much better to have many weaker units than a few strong units (so 40 town watch are better than 20 velite gladiators). You should also know that garrisoning a town with mercenaries has a negative rather than positive effect (it creates unrest).

When a town revolts, re-capture it as soon as possible and exterminate it. You'll get a fat amount of loot money (as well as a reward from the senate if you are playing as a Roman faction), and the public order should be fine. Some towns are naturally violent (to simulate real historical revolts). I believe Jerusalem is one.


-Drustan

[Entropy Judge]

-To garrison a town, build the best unit recruitment buildings (not just barracks). This has a massive effect on public order. You should also know that garrisoning a town with mercenaries has a negative rather than positive effect.

Really? The export_descr_buildings file doesn't have any PO bonus for the recruitment buildings, and I've never had any PO penalties for using an all-merc garrison.

[Yojimbo]

Really? The export_descr_buildings file doesn't have any PO bonus for the recruitment buildings, and I've never had any PO penalties for using an all-merc garrison.

indeed.

Drustan if you don't know anything don't post false info. The recruitment buildings have no effect whatsoever on PO

[Drustan]

Oooops, brain fart, confused this with another game I used to play.


But doesn't barracks have an effect?

[Entropy Judge]

Nope. Top-level barracks in the first block, compared with top-level market in the second.

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royal_barracks requires factions { seleucid, roman, }
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capability
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construction 7
cost 9600
settlement_min huge_city

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curia requires factions { carthaginian, eastern, parthia, egyptian, greek, roman, }
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capability
{
agent spy 0 requires factions { barbarian, }
agent assassin 0 requires factions { barbarian, }
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trade_base_income_bonus bonus 5
population_growth_bonus bonus 2
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}
construction 7
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[Scutarii]

Barracks' don't affect public order. They're only purpose is to let you create new units.

And don't bash drustan too hard, even if he gave (a little bit) bad advice. I've heard others spouting that information, which is probably where he got the info from.

[Otto von Bismarck]

It just makes things more complicated and harder, and that's the beauty of it. If you ask me without the revolts the game would be way too easy.

[Selifator]

There might be mods that grant barracks PO bonus.

[Lucifer Sam]

every time it revolts, re attack and keep exterminating
use loads of soldiers
put a good general in the settlement, maybe another near by
spies help curb unrest (and evict enemy spies that cause it)

[Selifator]

I would advice against putting a large army in a revolting province (since it stinks) because the rebel armies that are spawned are made according to the strength of your armies. So a large stack of yours will summon a large and experienced stack of rebels.
Hence the occurence of golden peasants, which sucks, since they can kick the butt of many an elite unit. Causes quite the bruise on the tender ego, I might add.

[Scutarii]

The quality and amount of units spawned has nothing to do with your troops in the region... IIRC, barracks level influences both and population size may have something to do with it.

[Entropy Judge]

The quality and amount of units spawned has nothing to do with your troops in the region... IIRC, barracks level influences both and population size may have something to do with it.

I took one of Numidia's garbage cities and razed everything (I forget what kind of army I used ....) - literally, I exterminated on capture and destroyed every building I could, then let it revolt, thinking it would go Rebel instead of Numidian. I got stuck with 4 Gold XP Peasants with Silver Weapons and Gold Armor and 4 Skirmishers with Silver XP and similar Weapons/Armor. Then I started playing EB.

[Lord Dakier]

I think it is mainly pop size as I have had fairly large rebels at Kotais and I did not even have a level two barracks.