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    Latuff has authored several comics about Middle East situations such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Iraq War, mainly highly critical towards Israel and the United States while sympathizing with their opposition.[original research?]
    In his We are all Palestinians cartoon series, various famous oppressed groups, including Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, Black South Africans during Apartheid, Native Americans, and Tibetans in China, are all shown stating "I am Palestinian".[4] (See also: Controversies)
    Latuff has also made a series of cartoons that portray Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,[5][6][7] United States President George W. Bush, Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and British PM Tony Blair among other politicians as monsters and as Nazis.[8]
    In his comic series by the name of Tales of Iraq War (also translated into Arabic), he features 'Juba, the Baghdad sniper' as a hero while US soldiers are portrayed as villains[9] sent by US President George W. Bush, caricatured laughing over US casualties.[10]
    Latuff himself has described his work as controversial.
    In 2002 the Swiss-based Jewish organization Aktion Kinder des Holocaust sued the Independent Media Center (IMC, also known as Indymedia) of Switzerland on the charge of anti-Semitism. The reason was a cartoon of Latuff's We are all Palestinians series, published in Swiss IMC website, which depicted a Jewish boy in Warsaw Ghetto saying: "I am Palestinian."[11][12][13] The criminal proceedings were suspended by Swiss court.[14]
    In 2006, Latuff entered and was placed second, winning $4,000, in the controversial Iranian 'International Holocaust Cartoon Competition'. Latuff's image compared the Israeli West Bank barrier with the Nazi concentration camps.[15]
    The competition itself was controversial - it was criticised by the then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan, the Israeli foreign ministry, Reporters Without Borders, the Anti-Defamation League and many others.[16][17][18] Latuff's entry was described as "Holocaust inversion" by Manfred Gerstenfeld.[19]
    A cartoon by Latuff depicting Alan Dershowitz :wub: over the killing of Lebanese citizens, which illustrated an article by prominent anti-Zionist Norman Finkelstein, also provoked controversy.[20]
    Gotta love his cartoons.



















    http://latuff.deviantart.com/
    http://latuff2.deviantart.com/
    Any opinions on this guy's ''work''?


    NOTE: I do not support not condemn Latuff's work, I am just posting it here to see some opinions on political cartoons from multiple people and used Latuff as example.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; November 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    I appreciate political cartoons in general as they encourage people to get more interested and involved in politics. However, Latuff's cartoons are just polemic, anti-semitic, one-sided propaganda works and aren't even funny.

    Some examples of him simply going too far (WARNING, big and possibly offensive pictures):
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    Criticise the US all you want but comparing it to Hitler's Nazi regime is simply rude and arrogant towards the victims of the Third Reich.


    Comparing the trouble in Palestine to the racist oppression of the blacks in South Africa is just ridiculous as well.




    Here are some other cartoons:

    On Bush/Obama:



    On Russia:



    More Russia:




    Last edited by Astaroth; November 25, 2008 at 12:23 PM.
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    I like a lot of his work on Iraq, especially the ghosts walking from the cannon fodder graves.
    Yes, I hate the fact RTW is out and I still have a Japanese title. Come on now admins- let's get with the program.

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    I think he needs to get a real job to be honest, but I guess this counts in our modern world. Some of them are funny I guess, we should refrain from anti-Semitism, but I didn't see any in there. I believe the only one accused of anti-Semitism was of a holocaust Jewish boy saying "I am Palestinian". Which is clearly NOT anti-Semitism.

    Nice ones on Georgia-War though I also like the Muslim Radical one Hypocrites.
    Last edited by Каие; November 25, 2008 at 02:22 PM.

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    His works are absolutely true.

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    Well they're not are they? that's why it's called a satirical cartoon.

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    Moar Latuff











    Some of these are quite accurate.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Is this guy a Marxist? He keeps implying Marx pwns capitalism...

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    Purely artistically, I like them a lot.

    As for the message - meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Is this guy a Marxist? He keeps implying Marx pwns capitalism...
    I don't think you have to be a 'Marxist' to use Marx as an exemplar for critics of the inherant failings of the modern capitalist system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Is this guy a Marxist? He keeps implying Marx pwns capitalism...
    most likley would explain a bit.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
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    The spoiler is your friend for strings of graphic images.

    As to the political satir-- Yawn. This is why they are shown one at a time.

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    that's my favourite
    clear concise and biting

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    In an effort to say something nice he can draw well, otherwise those cartoons are textual vomit. It'd be like me making a cartoon that supports the American and Israeli side by praising every time a iraqi or palestinian was killed as a result of the war, my title would be something like "I hate brownies, or at least brown people." I would draw pictures of the savage, barbarian islamic devils eating babies and trying to kill the brave american and israelis who are protecting their homes and families against the heathen brutes.

    My problem is that he is what he is trying to ridicule, which is callous disregard of human life. His point is obviously that the Palestinians/Iraqis are being treated unfairly and he wishes to bring awareness to what he sees as massive disregard and callousness towards the palestinian/iraqi plight by Israel/America respectively. Assuming that this disregard of the palestinians and iraqis is true he is just as insensitive and callous towards the Americans and Israelis, if not more so. He wants America/Israel and the world to see the tragic disregard he sees in their actions but he is equally insensitive and dismissive of the deaths of Americans or the plight of the Israelis than he claims they are towards the Palestinians/Iraqis.
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    I think this should be sent to Csrlos Latuff




    I think I can basicly summarize a cartoon by carlos, us/ israel evil also are the exact same thing as nazies. Thats basicly all they say.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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    Those cartoons are funny if you ask me. They just show critisicm about things in the world on a funny way. Dont forget its just a cartoon, nothing more, nothing less.

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    yeah this is in no way offensive (sarcasm)
    WARNING SHOWING A CARTOON THE DEPICTS A TERRIBLE BLOOD LIBEL BEING COMMITED
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    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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