Proposals for the Next Version

**HIC SVNT LEONES** · November 24, 2008, 02:32 PM

No, this isn't a thread about when this comes out, or when you're doing the next one. But a thread perhaps for suggestions of factions and other things that could be brought in for the next one. Sort of a thing for people to bounce ideas around in. Maybe to give danova some ideas.

1.) Expansion further west, maybe across the Atlantic with a mysterious shadow or something such like in the new world campaign to Greenland & Newfoundland, maybe northern reaches of North America.

2.) Native factions, that go with the above mentioned, maybe a Greenland Inuit and Vinland Inuit faction, one that could learn from their interactions with the Norseman or other Euros and reverse invade given time.

3.) Obotrites would be a cool thing to see in the northern parts of continental Europe. A small, Slavic faction that has the potential of being a pain in the arse for the Franks, Danes, and perhaps even the British isles, given enough time to grow. They were a fiercely independent pagan area in the Northern parts of Central Europe.

Here is a resource for the natives!:

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Here is my ideal Next or Future Version Map (With Highlighted Faction Groups):

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Viking Voyages in the west!

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**helmersen** · November 24, 2008, 02:41 PM

Not expansion north? What the duse? Of course we cvould use that! Norway and Sweden are very, in the lack of a better word, "tall" countries and this could be strategicly improving. Other than that, good suggetions!

**GatorMarine1833** · November 24, 2008, 03:10 PM

Things I would like to see added:
Vinland and Greenland (with small factions inhabiting them, probably unplayable)
A small extra Welsh faction
A small extra faction in Scotland (Pictish rebels maybe?)
An Extra Irish Faction
A Western Frankish Faction

Be advised that these things would all require a lot of work and IF we decide to do any of this it may end up being added in sets of like 1 or 2 new factions at a time.

Again, those are big "IF"s

**danova** · November 24, 2008, 03:15 PM

Every factions takes 3-4 weeks of work.
so... this is 3-4 months!

Originally Posted by GatorMarine1833

Things I would like to see added:
Vinland and Greenland (with small factions inhabiting them, probably unplayable)
A small extra Welsh faction
A small extra faction in Scotland (Pictish rebels maybe?)
An Extra Irish Faction
A Western Frankish Faction

Be advised that these things would all require a lot of work and IF we decide to do any of this it may end up being added in sets of like 1 or 2 new factions at a time.

Again, those are big "IF"s

**danova** · November 24, 2008, 03:12 PM

Good idea! (this thread!)

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**helmersen** · November 24, 2008, 03:16 PM

Hehehe.. So fast?!

**AlexanderPrimus** · November 24, 2008, 04:24 PM

I think a more feasible faction list for v. 2.0 would be:

Leinster (new Irish faction)
Lotharingia (new Frankish faction)

I would also suggest adding West Francia, however the map does not go down far enough for there to be room for them. Were the map expanded, then I would suggest adding them too.

I think the Skraelings in Vinland should be rebels at first. A Skraeling faction might be feasible for TLK 3.0, lol. The reason I say this is that adding more factions of existing culutre groups is easier than adding an entirely new culutre group, which would require a new set of unique units.

With Leinster and Lotharingia there would be considerable unit overlap with already existing factions, which is a good thing. It means they'd be somewhat easier to add than an entirely new culture.

And we don't want to fill up the map so tightly that there are no bordering rebels for each faction to gobble up at the start to strengthen themselves.

**HIC SVNT LEONES** · November 24, 2008, 04:45 PM

I actually agree with you in a deal of points. These ideas are more or less up to dan anywho, and well, I think they can help with the creative process. I mean, if it had Skraels, it'd be the first with them on TWC, by golly, and that'd be right neat in itself. But imagine Skraels that could learn a bit, and fight? I mean. It'd be something new. Yes, the new cultures thing would be a pain, and this would be all nice to have, later.

Something that could be done with the Skraels is that, before they have the ability to 'act' Europeanised, * I'd give them Northern European building models, and maybe even a 'cap' in city size, that might even be a good idea for all factions, huge cities and citdaels, don't seem fitting for this time. Have them like the Apache at first, before unlocking a building tree. Give them a small bit of developing powers, until they make Euro contact. Give them Kayaks as their first ships, a loose, weak set of starting families. * Which would be fictionalized, I don't think many people knew of indigenous 'Merican tribal leaders.

Little bits of flair here and there.

Leinster or Lothar, would be nice. But that is also why I brought up the Obs, they fought alot with the Franks, and were never truly 'brought into the fold' until like much passed the time of the Mod line.

**AlexanderPrimus** · November 24, 2008, 04:55 PM

Yeah, I definitely think the Obotrites would be a nice addition - again I just think they'd have to play the role of rebels at the very first.

Good suggestion!

**HIC SVNT LEONES** · November 24, 2008, 04:56 PM

They even say that some of the ships landing with the Vikings were filled with Obs. Hehe.

**GatorMarine1833** · November 25, 2008, 03:26 AM

For Skraelings we could use some of the Americas campaign units as placeholders, as well as some of the buildings. Honestly though the only reason I would like them to be there is to experience some serious Viking VS Skraeling combat.

The only reason I'd like another faction in Scottish lands is because they have kind of a lot of settlements compared to the other factions. Again though, these are things to worry about later as far as I'm concerned, it is good to hear ideas from the community.

**helmersen** · November 25, 2008, 07:45 AM

Many good suggestions!

**The Northern Marches** · November 25, 2008, 09:08 AM

I think it be stretching it a little far to allow the native populations, such as the Inuit of Greenland or the Dorset/Beothuk of Newfoundland and Labrador, to be represented as solidified and playable faction in their own right. These people were nomadic and rudimentary at best and even with access to European technology and resources, they simply would not have the societal organization necessary to pose any real threat to the Europeans in Europe itself (Viking colonies on their turf were a different story however.) But I agree, it would be fun nonetheless despite those pesky historical aspects

. And of course for the Vikings, if they were present in the New World, it would provide some much needed "diversion" for the early settlers.

**AlexanderPrimus** · November 25, 2008, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Ashley J. Williams

Here is my ideal Next or Future Version Map:

I certainly do like this map!

Might crash our computers though. Nah, it'd just be like the Americas in the standard campaign.

**The Northern Marches** · November 25, 2008, 10:57 AM

Here's my "ideal" map for the next TLK.

**helmersen** · November 25, 2008, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by The Northern Marches

Here's my "ideal" map for the next TLK.

Haha!

WTF? Cant help but agree though, I really love the map!

That would be a great extension, only wished it could be stretched a little more to the north...

**Antagonist** · November 25, 2008, 04:57 PM

Definitely agree with most of the suggestions above. Having some area of North America and the "skraelings" would be great (though admittedly there is little practical reason for going there) though it'd be problematic to depict them as a faction. I'd also caution against expanding the map eastwards - if you're going to do that do it when all other work is complete, as the risks of "feature creep" are very great.

I'd also argue for the Ui Neill of Mide over Leinster in terms of another Irish faction - as it stands, tLK depicts by far the most powerful man in Ireland at this time (Máel Sechnaill mac Máele Ruanaid, arguably the first "real" High King) as a "rebel", which doesn't make sense at all IMO.

Antagonist

**sumskilz** · December 31, 2008, 02:54 PM

There is ample evidence that the "Skraelings" put the last nail in the coffin of the Norse Greenland colonies but climate change, isolation, and the lack of resources conducive to local metal working helped in their demise. I have to agree that the implementation of Inuit factions would be stretching reality to a great degree.

**Niall of the Nine Hostages** · May 31, 2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Antagonist

I'd also argue for the Ui Neill of Mide over Leinster in terms of another Irish faction - as it stands, tLK depicts by far the most powerful man in Ireland at this time (Máel Sechnaill mac Máele Ruanaid, arguably the first "real" High King) as a "rebel", which doesn't make sense at all IMO.

I agree. The Southern Ui Neill (aka the Kingdom of Mide) make the most sense for another Irish faction. Mael Sechnaill was the High King of Ireland. Again, why should he be a rebel?

**Treize** · January 01, 2009, 07:55 AM

The americas are useless as the vikings will take the tiny settlements there without alot of resistance and native factions are too weak to pose a treat.