Unit Roster Diversity

[Lulian]

So, what faction has the most diverse unit roster? I'm interested in starting a Late Campaign, and I want a faction with a lot of different units.

[frederickm]

Hmmm, the Spanish guys, good variety from what I know.
I find that Turks have good variety as well, except the variety is not balanced but rather some just pure crap others elite

[Santiago de Pola]

Try Lithuania..the units from Pagan temples are particularly interesting!

[Henry707]

Non, non, non, you are all wrong !

You must try the French - these garlic socked warriors come in many interesting flavours - as a unit roster you have it all...

For missles you have the scots guards or aventeurs - both built to rock..

You have pikemen, useful militia (eg voulgiers), horse archers & the best horsies in the west...

Pour moi, France is a great faction, all dressed in a fashionable blue with matching hats...

Henri

[Gogolometro]

Bien monsieu, what will say your darling french when will meet mein kaiser army? Diversity your name is HRE.Maybe at starting campaign will find some get better archers, forget they have maces, twohanded swords, pikes, swords, armors and dont piss reich they will send the teutons to finish you.

[Henry707]

MMmm, you have given moi much to think about - I do like the addition of pavise crossbowmen in the HRE roster. Also, they also have some good pikes & spears

...however, on the fashion front, black is out in 2008-9....so vive la france...

Henri

[Emperor VI]

Guys let me give you some statistics. Number of units per faction. SS6.1+RR/RC1.7
Faction Naval Artillary Cavalry Infantry Total
1 Scotland 4 8 8 16 36
2 England 4 8 10 19 41
3 Ireland 4 8 8 11 31
4 Denmark 4 8 11 17 40
5 Norway 4 8 9 15 36
6 Novgorod 4 7 9 13 33
7 Kievan Russia 4 7 8 14 33
8 Aragon 5 9 11 21 46
9 Spain 5 9 11 20 45
10 Portugal 5 9 11 18 43
11 Poland 4 8 13 15 40
12 Hungary 4 8 11 17 40
13 Byzantine 4 5 9 16 34
14 Lithuania 4 7 8 17 36
15 Sicily 4 8 10 17 39
16 Venice 4 10 12 18 44
17 Genoa 4 10 12 18 44
18 Papal States 1 8 11 19 39
19 Kwarezm 4 8 9 15 36
20 Turks 4 8 8 18 38
21 Moors 4 7 10 16 37
22 Egypt 4 7 9 18 38
23 Mongols 1 4 6 10 21
24 Cuman 4 6 9 12 31
25 Teutonic Order 4 8 8 12 32
26 Templars 4 8 9 16 37
27 France 4 9 12 20 45
28 HRE 4 9 11 21 45
29 KoJ 4 7 7 10 28

[richieelias]

The op is asking which nation has the most diversity, not the most units.

Diversity would be Nation A has shock troops, light spearmen, heavy spearmen, short range xbows, long range xbows, shock troops, ap troops, etc. Not Nation A has xbow militia, peasant xbows, etc., where 6 different units might all fill the exact same role.

[Emperor VI]

The op is asking which nation has the most diversity, not the most units.

Diversity would be Nation A has shock troops, light spearmen, heavy spearmen, short range xbows, long range xbows, shock troops, ap troops, etc. Not Nation A has xbow militia, peasant xbows, etc., where 6 different units might all fill the exact same role.

You probably would agree that more units a nation have, the higher chances of having diverse troops...

[richieelias]

Higher chance, but its still very misleading. High units also means many of the same type of units sometimes, and others might have one great unit that fills multiple roles

For example I would say that the HRE has

cheap anti cavalry
Heavy anti cav
pikemen
light swordsmen
heavy swordsmen
1h AP infantry
cheap 2h swords (forlorn hope)
heavy 2h swords
unbreakable infantry (forlorn hope again)
light cav
med cav
heavy cav (gothic knight, imperial knight, teutonic knight)
AP cav (gothic knight, imperial knight, teutonic knight again)
xbow cav
SR gunpowder cav
cheap archers
cheap xbows
heavy xbows
SR gunpowder infantry

For a total of about 19 different roles without considering artillery/navy

And regarding the Mongols: They have the smallest unit count, but almost all of their units fill 2 roles, sometimes even 3 roles. I'd say simply having such a multirole unit heavy roster should be considered extra points for diversity in and of itself.

[ginger_hammer]

I think that list is pretty usefull Interesting that some factions get over twice as many different units i.e. Mongol->HRE

[Caesar Clivus]

Well the Mongols were never meant to be playable

[Viscule]

Well the Mongols were never meant to be playable

But the fact it was enabled makes it that much more fun for the people that wanted to play as them. =D

[django333]

You only need two units to rule the world as the Mongols. Mongolian Infantry and Mongolian Horse Archers.

Whenever I want to try a new faction I check them out at Honga.net to make sure they have what I'm looking for.

[LionQ]

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Whenever I want to try a new faction I check them out at Honga.net to make sure they have what I'm looking for.

Wouldn't you want to try a new faction for a new roster, forcing you to adapt your strategy and tactics? If you're going for more of the same-old same-old, then what's the point in changing factions? The starting position doesn't matter, because you end up conquering the entire world anyway.

[django333]

Wouldn't you want to try a new faction for a new roster, forcing you to adapt your strategy and tactics? If you're going for more of the same-old same-old, then what's the point in changing factions? The starting position doesn't matter, because you end up conquering the entire world anyway.

Yea that's why I use Honga. So I can see all the units instead of starting a campaign and realizing I don't really care much for the faction once I'm 100 turns in.

[LionQ]

Yea that's why I use Honga. So I can see all the units instead of starting a campaign and realizing I don't really care much for the faction once I'm 100 turns in.

Ah, cool.

France, the HRE and the Sultanate are my favourites when it comes to diversity.

[CaptainScott]

Just don't play with real recruitment enabled; otherwise, I find all I get to purchase are one or two types of units--very boring and not realistic.

[django333]

Actually that makes it more realistic but arguably more boring.

[Caesar Clivus]

Just don't play with real recruitment enabled; otherwise, I find all I get to purchase are one or two types of units--very boring and not realistic.

It's very realistic. What's not realistic is getting plate armour in the 11th or 12th centuries.