TWC, we have a piracy dilemma

[Tajir]

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Western brethren, we have a problem:

Islamist militias in Somalia are on the hunt for pirates. In fact, during their reign 2 years ago (before US-backed Ethiopian troops destabilized the country) piracy was almost nonexistent...[kind of reminds me of the whole opium thing in Afghanistan]...

So how do we go about this dilemma?

Continue supporting the incompetent Pro-Piracy interim government like we've been supporting the incompetent Pro-Opium Karzai regime or do we finally do the right thing for the first time in our history?

[Dr. Croccer]

Or: we do nothing and let the ers kill eachother.


Good plan

[Tajir]

Or: we do nothing and let the ers kill eachother.


Good plan

Sounds like a great plan to me, but topics on piracy usually get around 200 replies, so I'm sure all the whining is for a reason other than to just "let them "wub" each other."

And plus, if we let them kill each other (which we should)...those crazy law-abiding, progressive, anti-anarchist muzzies might take over Somalia.

[Dr. Croccer]

And plus, if we let them kill each other (which we should)...those crazy law-abiding, progressive, anti-anarchist muzzies might take over Somalia.

Haven't they already?

The them park would be called Pirates of the African Horn

fixed.

[Mikelus Trento]

Send in Obama and recruit them all for a Somalian NBA team.

Alternate idea is have Disney put up a theme park, funded by the shipping companies at a fraction of what they are paying in ransom (which encourages the activity btw). The them park would be called Pirates of the Somalian Coast.

[Tajir]

Haven't they already?

They did. Then we intervened by aiding Ethiopia and sent their country back 20 years and set off the worst humanitarian disaster in the world.

They are once again on the march and control all but 2 towns in the Southern half of the country. They're doing this while having drones above their heads and US-backed warlord mercenaries breathing down their necks. Their progress would be infinitely faster if we just left the scene this moment...but then again, they stand for progress in Africa, and we don't want that.

[Viking Prince]

Is this an effort at spamming pirate threads? 2nd thread started by Dahir today.

[Farnan]

Continue supporting the incompetent Pro-Piracy interim government like we've been supporting the incompetent Pro-Opium Karzai regime or do we finally do the right thing for the first time in our history?

The Afghan National Government is not pro-opium and the Transitional Federal Government in not pro-pirate, they just both lack the power to combat this issue.

Furthermore, it is pure idiocy to say overthrowing the ing Taliban was not a good thing. They are as ing bad as the Nazis if not worse, they just lack the central power to organize an event like the Holocaust, or they would (of the Hezari).

Also, look at this video and honestly tell me if they are the good guys (warning shocking image)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[hellheaven1987]

Wait, Dahir, I thought you said those are "Coast Guard"??:hmmm:

[Mikelus Trento]

That video is hardly worth the warning. Do you have anything a little bit more appropriate for the definition of "beating"?

Seriously, that's pretty tame compared to the other stuff that goes on over there.

[Tajir]

Farnan, nobody is perfect, I'll admit that. But the Taliban was and still is more COMPETENT than the Karzai regime? Yes or No?

And Afghanistan is a bit of my geographical know-zone. Somalia's Islamists are a more progressive group however, that's a different story as well.

The bigger question is - do we side with the Islamists on this issue or switch sides to the pirates?

[Viking Prince]

Farnan, nobody is perfect, I'll admit that. But the Taliban was and still is more COMPETENT than the Karzai regime? Yes or No?

And Afghanistan is a bit of my geographical know-zone. Somalia's Islamists are a more progressive group however, that's a different story as well.

The bigger question is - do we side with the Islamists on this issue or switch sides to the pirates?

False choice -- shoot the pirates and oppose the islamists. Calling Somalia's Islamists more progressive is an insult to all progressives.

[Farnan]

Farnan, nobody is perfect, I'll admit that. But the Taliban was and still is more COMPETENT than the Karzai regime? Yes or No?

Absoinglutely not, they never even controlled the whole country and were as corrupt as any government. Even if they were I would rather live in a Hobbsian world than under those son of a es.

It seems Afghans agree with me as only 8% of them like the Taliban according to a poll in 2006, and 60% believing the future will improve in a poll in February.

http://www.d3systems.com/public/news.asp

Furthermore 2/3rds of Afghans approve of the government and progress of democracy, and 3/4s believe that there will be free elections

http://www.asiafoundation.org/resour...eyFindings.pdf

And Afghanistan is a bit of my geographical know-zone. Somalia's Islamists are a more progressive group however, that's a different story as well.

Still force wear of the Burqa and mistreatment of women

The bigger question is - do we side with the Islamists on this issue or switch sides to the pirates?

Neither, we support the TFG in establishing a stable government and gain power to reduce piracy.

Mikelous: Just go on Youtube and search Taliban beating women. If I posted some I would be banned.

[D.B. Cooper]

Argh

[Dr. Croccer]

They did. Then we intervened by aiding Ethiopia and sent their country back 20 years and set off the worst humanitarian disaster in the world.

They are once again on the march and control all but 2 towns in the Southern half of the country. They're doing this while having drones above their heads and US-backed warlord mercenaries breathing down their necks. Their progress would be infinitely faster if we just left the scene this moment...but then again, they stand for progress in Africa, and we don't want that.

Asking if someone prefers a religious regime or a faulty, corrupt government is like asking if someone prefers having polio or epilepsy.

[danzig]

Asking if someone prefers a religious regime or a faulty, corrupt government is like asking if someone prefers having polio or epilepsy.

Id say religious goverment vs faulty goverment is more like polio vs cold since one can be fixed and the other cant.

[Atterdag]

I'd say, we already have a thread on this!

Please go there for swashbuckling-mud-slinging-within-the-ToS-of-course!

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

how about we don't support the militants, and keep supporting the interim governmnet.

problem sovled, thread over.

[pajomife]

I thought you talk about real pirates, like hackers and crackers ,and those criminals who "share"stuffs with copyrights ,those Somalians are just poor people who's like sail ,nothing more.