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    -- Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have been indicted on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County, Texas, District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra told CNN Tuesday.
    Vice President Dick Cheney, right, and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have been indicted.

    The indictment stems from Cheney's investment in the Vanguard Group -- an investment management company that reportedly has interests in the prison companies in charge of the detention centers, according to The Associated Press. It also charges Gonzales halted an investigation into abuse at the detention centers while he was attorney general.
    Democratic state Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr. also is charged in the indictment.
    Michael R. Cowen, an attorney for Lucio, issued a statement calling Guerra a "one man circus."
    "In the March 2008 Democratic Primary, 70 percent of the Willacy County voters elected to remove Juan Guerra as Willacy County District Attorney," Cowen said. "Now, with only a few weeks left in his term, Mr. Guerra has again chosen to misuse his position in an attempt to seek revenge on those who he sees as political enemies."
    Cheney spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said, "The vice president has not received an indictment."
    Willacy is near the United States-Mexico border.
    I doubt anything will actually happen as the President has his "get out of jail free" card or presidential pardon...still, maybe it will develop into a scandal? Stay tuned...just in case.

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    the presidential pardon is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    the presidential pardon is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
    Indeed, it is very stupid.

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    It has its uses.

    Too bad Bush won't use it on these two

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    Quote Originally Posted by André Masséna View Post
    It has its uses.

    Too bad Bush won't use it on these two

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51417
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    as far as I'm aware the indictment has been made by a lower district court but I was wondering now that it came up...

    If a person is sued by a particular county or state...and the matter somehow goes up to the Supreme Court of the country...and the person is found guilty by the Supreme Court but is then pardoned by the President, does that pardon have any legal standing if the Supreme Court has already decided against them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou337 View Post
    as far as I'm aware the indictment has been made by a lower district court but I was wondering now that it came up...

    If a person is sued by a particular county or state...and the matter somehow goes up to the Supreme Court of the country...and the person is found guilty by the Supreme Court but is then pardoned by the President, does that pardon have any legal standing if the Supreme Court has already decided against them?
    The Presidential pardon is the final word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    Bush already pardoned himself and Cheney and Gonzales in advance:

    (We already had a whole thread on this)

    I typed out an entire sentence, then erased it all, seriously all I can say is

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    Heck, at least it isn't like Bill Clinton's pardons. It seemed like just about everyone was pardoned. There should be limits to number and who exactly is pardoned. And I don't believe the President or any of his cabinet should be charged with anything that was part of what they did while in power unless 1. it's part of an impeachment or 2. it's an actual crime such as murder.

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    America is an Apple pie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    Should I go on?

    So no, it isn't any thing like Bill Clinton's pardons. It's more like the Nuremberg Trials.
    Only if you wish to continue looking foolish. I mean you are aware the charges here have nothing to do with anything you mentioned above right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    Torturing People is an actual crime.
    Suppressing evidence is an actual crime.
    Leaking confidential CIA information to the press is an actual crime.
    Eaves-dropping without judicial approval is an actual crime.
    Denying a prisoner the right to habeas corpus is an actual crime.
    Firing employees of the federal government for partisan reasons is an actual crime.


    Should I go on?

    So no, it isn't any thing like Bill Clinton's pardons. It's more like the Nuremberg Trials.

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    Per article -- D.A. is a state level elected position. Political opportunism should result in his disbarment.

    The vice-president has an interest in a mutual fund company that has investments in a company that operates a prison under federal contract. By this degree of implication I expect to also be indicted if this has any validity.

    There is also an issue of supremacy of federal actions that negates state jurisdiction in this matter.

    Expect this to be tossed in Federal Court within a week.

    btw - Is there some sort of virus that infects the judgement of Texan district attorneys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    btw - Is there some sort of virus that infects the judgement of Texan district attorneys?
    Yes, big money and big influence. It's a huge problem with our politicians and members of the Justice Department. It's that age-old disease of speaking loudly about principle while having none for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    It seems to infect most Texans and becomes particularly virulent in the proximity of a voting booth. (couldn't resist)


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    It seems to infect most Texans and becomes particularly virulent in the proximity of a voting booth. (couldn't resist)


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