Need Help With Mounted Unit Crash

[muddymonkey77]

Hello. I was hoping I could get a little help with putting mounted units in the game. Every time I try, it crashes on start up. Here is what I have done. I hope one of you can identify what I am doing wrong!

First I put the .cas file in model_unit and the .tgs.dds file in the textures folder

then in text/export_units

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{greek_hippeis} Greek Hippeis

{greek_hippeis_descr}
Can Form Wedge\n\nGreek cavalry are fast moving horsemen armed with spears for maximum impact in a charge. They are not heavily armoured, and do not have shields for protection, relying instead on the old maxim of 'speed is armour' for protection. As a result, they are best used as a hit-and-run force, rather than as soldiers who can indulge in hand-to-hand combat. That said, they are excellent for breaking up skirmishers, attacking lighter infantry such as missile troops and pursuing already broken enemies to prevent them rallying and rejoining a battle.

{greek_hippeis_descr_short}
Greek cavalry are fast moving horsemen armed with spears for maximum impact in a charge.

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in Data/export_descr_unit_enums

greek_hippeis
greek_hippeis_descr
greek_hippeis_descr_short

Data/export_decr_unit

type greek hippeis
dictionary greek_hippeis ; Greek Hippeis
category cavalry
class light
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_hippeis, 27, 0, 1
mount medium horse
mount_effect elephant -8, camel -4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest
formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square, wedge
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 6, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 3, 5, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, 0, -6, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 330, 120, 40, 50, 330
ownership greek_cities

Date/descr_model_battle

type greek_hippeis
skeleton fs_hc_spearman ; combat spear
indiv_range 40
texture greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_hippeis.tga
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 40
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, max
model_sprite greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_hippeis_sprite.scr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

sprite_script

greek_hippeis greek_cities medium horse

this has worked with all infantry units. It just will not work for cavalry. I'm stumped! Hope one of you can figure it out!

[Squid]

Moved to the Text Editing and Scripting Forum in the Rome Workshop

[florin80]

Do you get any messages when it crashes? There is the possibility that you`ve reached the limit for either EDU or more likely DMB. You can have no more than 500 entries in EDU and 255 in DMB.

[muddymonkey77]

Do you get any messages when it crashes? There is the possibility that you`ve reached the limit for either EDU or more likely DMB. You can have no more than 500 entries in EDU and 255 in DMB.

I'll check, but I think I'm good. I'll get back to you after counting.

[muddymonkey77]

I think that may be the problem. I take it there is no way to change this?

[florin80]

No, that`s the hardcoded limit for RTW and BI. Alexander has a higher limit though(more than 300 slots in DMB).

If you`ve reached it you need to delete something in order to implement a new unit. Which isn`t that hard to do actually. Some of the entries in vanilla aren`t used iirc. And it may be the case for some mods too. RTR 6 had a few existing entries that were not in use for example.
Also, some of the peasants that are used for the city view can be deleted and replaced in descr_lbc_db with other units. You will see centurions, generals and soldiers running around cheerfully in the city view mod, but it`s a small price to pay if you want to add another fighting unit.

EDIT: in vanilla RTW the DMB entry east_musician is not used so you can delete it and implement your cavalry if what you`re modding is vanilla. Same thing with east_heavy_musician.

[Aradan]

Gah, everything looks fine... Are you using -show_err?

EDIT: Beaten to it...

[muddymonkey77]

I'll see if that works..



That was it! It worked like a charm! Do you know of any other units in DMB that can be removed?

[florin80]

elephant_indian is used in descr_mount, but no unit actually uses it in EDU. Removing it would imply removing both the DMB and descr_mount entries and you`d also need to remove it from some sound text files or it will crash the game. If you have the -show_err command activated you`ll be told what those files are and then you can do a search in there for the descr_mount title(elephant indian) and remove that.
elephant_oliphant - the entry for the cheat unit/easter egg. Removing it would require the same steps as above and you`d need to remove the EDU entry(cheat oliphants) too.

[muddymonkey77]

elephant_indian is used in descr_mount, but no unit actually uses it in EDU. Removing it would imply removing both the DMB and descr_mount entries and you`d also need to remove it from some sound text files or it will crash the game. If you have the -show_err command activated you`ll be told what those files are and then you can do a search in there for the descr_mount title(elephant indian) and remove that.
elephant_oliphant - the entry for the cheat unit/easter egg. Removing it would require the same steps as above and you`d need to remove the EDU entry(cheat oliphants) too.

Can I also remove the forest elephant and all those animals like deer and birds that don't do anything?

[florin80]

The forest elephant is in use. It`s the small elephant with no tower. To see if a mount is in use you need to do a search of the DMB entry title in descr_mount. And then for the title of the descr_mount title in EDU. In this case:
in DMB the entry is elephant_forest
in descr_mount is elephant forest
and in EDU it is used by the carthaginians and seleucids. For example:

type             greek elephant small
dictionary       greek_elephant_small      ; Elephants
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       Light_1
soldier          greek_elephant_archer, 6, 6, 1
mount            elephant forest
mount_effect     horse +4, chariot +8, camel +4
attributes       sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation        7, 9, 13,13, 1, square
stat_health      1, 10
stat_pri         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         3, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    area, ap, launching
stat_pri_armour  0, 3, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  10, 2, flesh
stat_heat        -1
stat_ground      0, 1, -6, -1
stat_mental      4, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1320, 270, 140, 200, 1320
ownership        seleucid

The birds and deers are commented out. You see those ; at the start of each line? They make the engine not read anything that follows so it`s as if they`d be deleted already. You can remove them completely of course, but the point is you`ll not gain a free slot.

[Halie Satanus]

type greek_hippeis
skeleton fs_hc_spearman ; combat spear
indiv_range 40
texture greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_hippeis.tga
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, 40
model_flexi data/models_unit/greek_hippeis.cas, max
model_sprite greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_hippeis_sprite.scr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Should be spr

[muddymonkey77]

the .scr is how the tutorial says to do it, and it always works. I think that is how the new files are created.

[Aradan]

No, it must be a typo. It should be .spr.