Victory In Iraq Imminent

[Clouse123456]

For the Coalition anyways!
What do yout think will happen.

Check this out! That Moktada al-Sadr stirring up trouble again and for what!?
http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.c...security-pact/

He is making it seem like we want to own Iraqi soil.Like went want to Annex Iraq into our own country.The thing that pisses me off is that there is support for that jerk off.The common Iraqi apparently believes that asshat Moktada al-Sadr.
If you listen to the average Iraqis on the tape you will notice the anger they have towards the Americans.I say for what!We have sacraficed guys for you bastard.Yes yes I can the understand the anger about the bombs going off and the firefights.Well there wouldnt be bombs or car bombs or fire fights if they werent resisting.They the Iraqis still think were there to stay forever like its our intention to stay there,like we want to be there.Anyways the pact was for our guys to leave,why are they still pissed off.
Tell me RTW Forum people, why are they pissed off.Do they want to us to leave earlier is that it, is that what there ing about.Like I said before I can understand their anger because of the violence,the fire fights but to me it seems like the average Iraqi has the wrong Idea of the American's Intentions and I think it has to do with the asshat Moktada al Sadr.

[Philos Sophos]

Uh...well...I think if there will be a stable Iraqi goverment it's the coalition victory.But if Al-Qaeda takes over or there will be a civil war,then they have lost...like in Vietnam...

[Heinz Guderian]

Iran will probably win by 2015.

[The King Of Peasants]

I thought this would be some sort of absurd anti american topic talking about the terrorists. Time until some conservative says 'with obama president the terrorists will win'?

[Mythre]

Victory at this point i believe is very possible.
That being said, it still will be hard to make it lasting. However much reconciliation there has been in Iraq, alot of issues are going to arise between the Kurds and the government. If those can be weathered, i would say Iraq has a good chance.

[Heinz Guderian]

However much reconciliation there has been in Iraq, alot of issues are going to arise between the Kurds and the government. If those can be weathered, i would say Iraq has a good chance.

Eliminate the Kurds?

[Mythre]

Eliminate the Kurds?

Umm... no. I meant there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved to allow for complete reconciliation.

[Heinz Guderian]

Here you go...

Remember, Iraq won't be the only Shi'ite majority Arab-aligned nation, Bahrain also has a Shi'ite majority.

Thanks, but the UIA will still be closer to Tehran than its Arab neighbours. Historic links, years of backing, sharing the same sect, Iranian government infiltration, Iranian training of the SIIC, Badr and Sadrists, close relationships of Iraqi government and security ministers with Tehran amonst other things. Iran was the first country to recognise the Iraqi government after the US.

Umm... no. I meant there are a lot of issues that need to be resolved to allow for complete reconciliation.

dont call me crazy.

[André Masséna]

We are steamrolling towards victory.

The Iraqi Government, to my knowledge, controls all but 6 of the provinces.

This is a good sign, and only a little more time is needed. Hopefully Obama will give them the time they need to make this transition. I'm sure he's smart enough to grasp the Political capital that has landed in his lap. He can be the man who "Won" the War in Iraq or he can be the man who lost it.

[Rapax]

We are steamrolling towards victory.

I wonder if anyone ever bothered to properly define what victory in this case actually means, seeing as how everyone is so happy to constantly declare it.

[Acco]

For the Coalition anyways!

Well yes, militarily though. Iraq is a situation that will take some dang good politicians to fix and even better military generals. When you look more closely, of course the Coalition is more well equiped and better trained than some insurgents who join their force with little or no experience (some exceptions) but the insurgents have a better chance at suceeding in my opinion. My line of thought as to why the terrorists are winning:

1. While the insurgents are being tested militarily, there is a great deal of the American population that want the U.S. to leave the country leaving a possible political victory for the insurgents, they can basically play "hold-out for as long as we can" and wait for the American public to get on its last straw. A somewhat similar scenario happened in Vietnam, why can't it happen again?

2. Militarily the insurgents are somewhat holding on but are on the verge of being decimated, however the Americans cannot destroy this ideology of radicalism that is fueled by America's very prescense in the country. This means there will always be people to commit these atrocities we hear about every day, sadly. The only possible way to see the stop of the terrorism would be to leave Iraq, you can't destroy an ideology as shown through the continued life-span of Nazism and Communism (I'm not comparing the two, just listing examples).

[Caelius]

I'm not ready to declare victory yet (even though that's what a number of defense publications and analysts are saying), but here's my contribution to this thread, its a little "Before and After" take at what was once one of THE most volatile sectors of Baghdad at the height of the insurgency.

Iraq has come a long and painful way, but it is undeniable progress towards ending this war favorably for the US.

[André Masséna]

I wonder if anyone ever bothered to properly define what victory in this case actually means, seeing as how everyone is so happy to constantly declare it.

Well, Rapax, I'll humor you....because I enjoy your sig if for no other reason.

MY definition of Victory in Iraq would be to leave Iraq in the hands of a stable and legitimate Democratic Government. This Government is in place, is elected by the Iraqi people, and now all we have to do is let them start to take over their security. Like I said, only 6 Provinces remain in American hands. Once they take over and we leave (if they don't collapse) then it's over and we've accomplished our mission.

Of course, we've allready won the Iraq War, it's the Iraq occupation we're trying to win.

[Heinz Guderian]

MY definition of Victory in Iraq would be to leave Iraq in the hands of a stable and legitimate Democratic Government. This Government is in place, is elected by the Iraqi people, and now all we have to do is let them start to take over their security. Like I said, only 6 Provinces remain in American hands. Once they take over and we leave (if they don't collapse) then it's over and we've accomplished our mission.
.

Democratic Government. Lets see..the government is controlled by the United Iraqi Alliance in coalition with the Iraqi Accord Front (Sunni Islamists) and the Kurdistani Alliance (accused of terrorism by Turkey).

But, the main guys, the United Iraqi Alliance must be the good guys right? Well lets see....these Shia guys are made up by the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council - the one set and funded by the Iranians for decades, the Badr Organisation, the armed wing of the SIIC and love to use drills on knee-caps, the Sadrist Movement, Al-Sadr's guys, who obviously love us, Islamic Virtue Party (Sadr allies), and the Islamic Dawa Party - also funded and helped by the Ayotollah in Iran to actually fight Iraqi forces in the war.

The UIA also has coalition support from some guys who call themselves "The Hezbollah Movement of Iraq".

So we toppled Saddam, fumbled the whole WMD thing, ed up an entire country, killed lots of people, spent billions of dollars and now we are gonna leave it in the hands of Shia Islamists who love Tehran?

Mission Accomplished.

Oh man, you guys ****ed up so bad it aint even funny anymore.

[Каие]

Mission Accomplished.

Do it right next time.

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[Rapax]

Well, Rapax, I'll humor you....because I enjoy your sig if for no other reason.

How nice of you.

MY definition of Victory in Iraq would be to leave Iraq in the hands of a stable and legitimate Democratic Government. This Government is in place, is elected by the Iraqi people, and now all we have to do is let them start to take over their security. Like I said, only 6 Provinces remain in American hands. Once they take over and we leave (if they don't collapse) then it's over and we've accomplished our mission.

So basically like...never.
I really loved that you described it as "steamrolling" though as if the entire occupation hadn't been marked by mistakes, bad decisions and lots and lots and lots of dead Iraqis.

[Heinz Guderian]

I really loved that you described it as "steamrolling" though as if the entire occupation hadn't been marked by mistakes, bad decisions and lots and lots and lots of dead Iraqis.

The Tree of Conservative Tehran Sponsored Islamist "Democracy" has to be refreshed from time to time by the blood of dead Iraqis.

[Каие]

Victory In Iraq Imminent

Can't 'win' earthquakes I'm afraid.

[Mikelus Trento]

For the Coalition anyways!
What do yout think will happen.

Check this out! That Moktada al-Sadr stirring up trouble again and for what!?
http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.c...security-pact/

He is making it seem like we want to own Iraqi soil.Like went want to Annex Iraq into our own country.The thing that pisses me off is that there is support for that jerk off.The common Iraqi apparently believes that asshat Moktada al-Sadr.
If you listen to the average Iraqis on the tape you will notice the anger they have towards the Americans.I say for what!We have sacraficed guys for you bastard.Yes yes I can the understand the anger about the bombs going off and the firefights.Well there wouldnt be bombs or car bombs or fire fights if they werent resisting.They the Iraqis still think were there to stay forever like its our intention to stay there,like we want to be there.Anyways the pact was for our guys to leave,why are they still pissed off.
Tell me RTW Forum people, why are they pissed off.Do they want to us to leave earlier is that it, is that what there ing about.Like I said before I can understand their anger because of the violence,the fire fights but to me it seems like the average Iraqi has the wrong Idea of the American's Intentions and I think it has to do with the asshat Moktada al Sadr.

Let's for a moment pretend the situation was reversed....

The only superpower left in the world, the Iraqi Army, invaded your country because they didn't like your leader. In the process of removing your leader, they caused the total breakdown of infrastructure...no water, no power, no garbage collection. Of course you were defiant to their presence, and waged the only type of resistance you could, guerilla warfare. In the process, hundreds of thousands of your countrymen were slain. They were aided by a mercenary army called Euphrateswater, who zipped around your cities without fear of any law. And now, almost 6 years later, they are still in your country, uninvited.

Do you remember the scene in Gladiator, at the beginning, when the Roman emmisary returns headless after trying to parlay with the Germans? Maximus' second in command looks at him and asks "When will they give up?" And Maximus answers..."Would you Quintus? Would I?"

[Clouse123456]

Thier Anger is Missplaced however they think is justified.The pact was for our guys to leave,at a gradual wind down but there going to leave.With Moktada al-sadr he wants us to leave immidiatly.I think he is saying that the pact doesnt include our guys leaving like our guys will always have a presence their,which is untrue.I can bet you ,he is telling lies.The Iraqis too ignorant to know will believe this anti american asshat.We have trained the Iraqi police forces,thier army,their new special forces,what more proof do you want that our intention is to eventually fully withdraw from Iraq.We want them as a allie not as our puppet.