A new Ice Age. not global warming?

[bigfootedfred]

The world has never seen such freezing heat

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery.



The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../16/do1610.xml

and this one

albeit from the daily mail

Global warning:


We are actually heading towards a new Ice Age, claim scientists


It has plagued scientists and politicians for decades, but scientists now say global warming is not the problem.
We are actually heading for the next Ice Age, they claim.
British and Canadian experts warned the big freeze could bury the east of Britain in 6,000ft of ice.



...


Professor Crowley said the stark findings do not mean we should stop fighting warming.
But he urged: ‘Don’t push the panic button.’
‘There’s no excuse for saying “we’ve got to keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere,”’ he told Reuters.
‘Geologically it’s tomorrow, but we have lots of time to argue about the appropriate level of greenhouse gases.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...cientists.html

[Nikos]

Sigh. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...bal+cooling%3F

[bigfootedfred]

the point is theyve been caught quite litterly pulling data out of their arse to support global warming...

[Nikos]

the point is theyve been caught quite litterly pulling data out of their arse to support global warming...

I know but there was a thread which discussed this ad nauseum. Sorry if I offended you.

[Scar Face]

the point is theyve been caught quite litterly pulling data out of their arse to support global warming...

Heh, so true. Whats more sad is that some Scientists are abandoning the idea of global warming, and jumping on the idea of global freezing. I mean, it seems these Scientists are absolutely committed to preaching about some environmental apocalypse, they just haven't figured out quite yet, which one will kill us all.

But when they can fabricate enough data, I'm sure they will let us know.

[Hunter Makoy]

Heh, so true. Whats more sad is that some Scientists are abandoning the idea of global warming, and jumping on the idea of global freezing. I mean, it seems these Scientists are absolutely committed to preaching about some environmental apocalypse, they just haven't figured out quite yet, which one will kill us all.

But when they can fabricate enough data, I'm sure they will let us know.

well as was said on the last page, 50 years ago they thought we were gonna have an ice age caused by the exhaust from our cars, and power plants and all that.

now we're gonna have global warming. . . . . caused by the exhaust from our cars and powerplants. all of it is intertwined into a problem of over consumption and pollution. but this constant attempt to put something cataclysmic around it to make people notice is absurd. we have already done a ton of work to clean the air and water. getting rid of the aerosols has changed alot.

its just ing REDICULOUS that people can't just push an initiative based on the truth, and wat they really want, instead of having to spin on an extra level of "Yer killin the earth!"

[Surgeon]

It's not global warming it's GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE. Whatever happens, scientists are always right and you're wrong. The planet is dying because of humans and will implode soon causing a huge explosion that will react with the sun and recreate the Big Bang, bringing about the end of the universe as we know it. It's all because humans pumped 100^53 trillion tons of gas into the atmosphere and for now we are lucky because the gas can't decide if it wants block out the sun and cause freezing or absorb heat and fry us all. But mark my words, you'll all get yours.

[Lord Feloric's Ambassador]

Luckily for you Humans my Great Lord Feloric has the solution to all your environmental problems. All you have to do is submit to the Order Of The Wolf.

[Nikos]

Luckily for you Humans my Great Lord Feloric has the solution to all your environmental problems. All you have to do is submit to the Order Of The Wolf.

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[Kiljan Arslan]

Good I like snow.

[mrmouth]

To have an ice age you need a trigger, which is usually a buildup in greenhouse gases that increases the amount of insolation. Thus blocking solar radiation and cooling the earth. That combined with variations of the earths axis spin allows for, over a generous amount of time, a buildup of snow pack that doesn't melt in the already cold regions of the planet. This lowers global temps further, again over a generous amount of time, and eventually leads to glacial spread to much of the northern hemisphere.

The trigger can be anything from a series of volcanic or super volcanic eruptions, or man made Co2, in combination with naturally generated Co2.

For quite some time now the talk has been that yes, the earth will first grow much warmer over a few hundred years. Then it will cool dramtically, and a ice age is likely.

[Mythos]

One year of data and suddenly we have a ing ice age? Yet all the data since the 1980s point to a global warming and it is (to you people anyway) inconclusive? When temperatures in Greece reached 49 degrees two summers ago, people like were saying "so, what, it's cold here". Well, guess what champ. It is November and it is hot here.

Besides, global warming is only part of the climate change. The change includes more erratic behaviour in short periods.

[Hunter Makoy]

One year of data and suddenly we have a ing ice age? Yet all the data since the 1980s point to a global warming and it is (to you people anyway) inconclusive? When temperatures in Greece reached 49 degrees two summers ago, people like were saying "so, what, it's cold here". Well, guess what champ. It is November and it is hot here.

Besides, global warming is only part of the climate change. The change includes more erratic behaviour in short periods.

nah its just them going back to wat they thought earlier. see, scientists work in cycles, just like the climate. back in the 1970's they thought we were heading into an ice age, then they decided its global warming, cuz hey, its more fun when u can blame all humanity. but now they've been forced to rethink to such extent they can't even properly name the thing. i've known this for a couple of years tho, that a true scientist will tell u they DO NOT KNOW exactly wat will happen, wat is happening, and wat has happened. unfortuneatly a whole bunch of people take Al ing Gore's word for it, but hey he invented the Internet, he's gotsta be smart right?

the other bad news: Global Warming is FAR better then Global Cooling.

[Kiljan Arslan]

that and fducking up the American bread basket one of Americas best barganing chips.

[touchmaster]

I don't know.. But all I know is it's still ing hot in California.. =\

[Kiljan Arslan]

Hell no it probably would up the midwest our bread basket, plus I love snow and the cold.

[Nikos]

Hell no it probably would up the midwest our bread basket, plus I love snow and the cold.

Damn straight man! I can't stand the heat. I love the cold.

[the_mango55]

There's about an inch of snow outside my window right now, and this is North Carolina (in the South).


Although it is in the mountains, and we get snow every year.

[roy34543]

a higher percentage of the earths landmass is cold then hot anyway.

[Hunter Makoy]

and yet all life on earth is more adaptable to warmer conditions then cooler ones.