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    Default Discussion with an Afghan Lawyer- translation

    I'm gonna translate this from Hungarian to English, to give you another perspective you won't hear in the news.

    Discussion: Afghan politics and corruption

    Reporter: Istvan Lovas - Hungarian newspaper editor (Hungarian Nation)

    Guest: Muhammad Daud Sultanzoi- lawyer, politican, engineer

    Place: Kabul, Afghanistan

    Born in 1952, having a family of 3 kids, holding an aviation engineer degree and speaking 5 languages and the only member of the Afghan Court who doesn't need to walk around with armed bodyguards.


    -What's your opinion of Hamid Karzai?

    -My opinion is, he is not part of the solution, even more, not even part of the problem. His government is the problem.

    -How can a government to be replaced, if this government is backed by 70 thousand foreign soldiers?

    - The removal of his government would be to nicely tell those who back him with money to stop doing it, enough is enough. He shouldn't run at the next election. The other thing - and this is the harder one- not to let him cheat on the election. This is going to be even harder, because he is cheating already. He has put in such an election staff, which is not independent at all. He has put such cabinet members, who aren't working on the problems, but building an election mechanics, that will keep him in power. Or, to say it with other words, he is forcing his government onto his people.
    United States and all the other nations who finance Karzai and his government are all responsible for this fraud. If this happens it will mean, that the USA and Europe will put up a government that isn't backed by the Afghan people.
    Just to let you know, while I was part of the parliament in 2 1/2 years, I backed Karzai and his government. I was in continuous connection with him and I told him what problems need to be solved. He has done absolutely nothing. He made things even worse.


    -From what point?

    -Corruption, uncle-friend games. And from the point, that he didn't listen to those who wanted to fix the problem.

    -Is Karzai corrupt?

    - Yes and his family too. He is in a multi-million drugdealing. So, he is against progress. Progress always bring change. The change would lift him out of his power.


    -The miltiary leaders stationed here told me a few days ago, that the problem is the uprising rebels.


    -At the beginning, the roots of the problem were the manipulation from Pakistan, Iran and Russia. But the Al-Queada and the Taliban were even worse. The influx of money were not used to give services to the people, which would have undermined the power of the Taliban, or to create such a government that would have fought against corruption. Instead, the government became the root of the problem.

    Today, Karzai and his government is a bigger problem than the Taliban. The Taliban could only kill and destroy, but they aren't on power. The responsible is always the one who is on power.

    Karzai is the one, who chooses those governors, who aren't working for the people, but preparing to cheat the election.


    -What's your opinion about the hurry of the occupying forces preparing the army of Afghanistan and the police?

    -This isn't like a lightswitch. Years needd to create a unified body of the government. First, to secure that the whole nation is going in one direction. Then to create/secure the culture of the nation. And this is what is missing from the army and the police right now.

    -What did the NATO do for the past 7 years?

    -They didn't care too much, they treated Afghanistan as secondary beside Iraq.

    -Do you see the NATO as an occupying force?

    -When they arrived, the Al-Queada was occupying here. After the Sept 11 attacks in the USA, they attacked the Taliban under UN mandate. It's necessary to note, that the Taliban was not responsible for 9/11. Only later, to stop the human life loss of the foreign soldiers, USA and Europe started to make deals with such politicians, who mislead them.

    And now, we're standing at a historic turning point. There was no chance to have a peaceful transition in the Afghan government for quarter thousand years now. Now, we would have the chance. The nation would have the chance the first time to elect their leaders and to become a member of the political progression. If this experience fails, then the people of Afghanistan will treat the foreign troops as occupiers.

    -The cold sweat rolls down my back as I'm listening to this, because Afghanistan has become the most important conflict on the world. Do you (afghanis) like Americans?


    -When they first arrived, there was a strong favor for them, since they helped to fight the Soviet Union, which we have won. But they made a giant mistake. For their local support, they have chosen the wrong people. Then more and more were surprised, that USA refuse to notice, that the Karzai government isn't doing what they supposed to?

    -Did Karzai start to talk to the mass murdering Taliban?

    -Not him, but his relatives, this is so impossible. This nation has institutions to do this, there should not be relatives involved. We dont' know what they were discussing or what was the purpose or in what circumstances.

    - Is the security improving in Afghanistan?

    - It's getting worse. And this would be the most important for the people. Even under the Taliban, it was more secured.

    -Are you safe?


    -My house has been used before for political kidnapping. Once someone threw a molotov-coctail on it. What's worse is, that they just kidnapped Homaiun Assefi, the political opponent of Karzai.

    - Are you worried?

    -Not until the elections.


    -And after?

    -The people will go to the mountains to fight.

    -And you?


    I'm going with them. Why are your looking at me like that?


    - Because admire you.
    /Istvan Lovas-Magyar Nemzet(Hungarian Nation)/




    /woah...2 hrs of translating this/

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    Very neat. If all together depressing.

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    I think the most important thing the UN/NATO could do , is to secure a fair election. Without that, there goes another civil war and the NATO forces caught in crossfire.

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    It's very difficult to govern Afghanistan let alone create any sort of order. Free fair elections that encourages everyone in the country to vote would be the best course of action. You don’t want another Iraq where 90% of one particular group don’t even vote thus installing a regime that doesn’t necessarily reflect the general consensus.

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    -What did the NATO do for the past 7 years?
    -They didn't care too much, they treated Afghanistan as secondary beside Iraq.
    He's not that clever is he....I think he means the USA treated Afghanistan as second base. Which is true somewhat.

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    He is right in Karzai being the bigger problem at the moment in Afghanistan. How big that problem is: Walli Karzai -his brother- the biggest druglord in Uruzgan, has to make a deal with the Taliban to get his opium out of the province to Pakistan or Iran. Means he cooperates with them rather closely. He has to, nothing goes out or in Uruzgan without Taliban approval. Nice aint it?

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    President Karzai's brother is a drug lord? and Wali?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    President Karzai's brother is a drug lord? and Wali?
    his name is Walli n00b. and for dealing with all that powder, he is a bit of a wally.

    @OP: interesting article. Some of the guys backed by us are pretty no-no-notorious.

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    It seems that USA has a thing for drugdealing puppet politicians...
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    President Karzai's brother is a drug lord? and Wali?
    Wali is, karzai isn't

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    lol I didn't realise his name was Wali, I thought Wali was the word for governor. I was half right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C4%81li
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    lol I didn't realise his name was Wali, I thought Wali was the word for governor. I was half right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C4%81li
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    tupac is in hell. Biggie is in Heaven.
    Blasphemy!

    But Afghanistan's full of that stuff, it's like even worse than Colombia. Probably the only viable trade or business really.

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    Really shows how much we've ed up Afghanistan hopefully Obama improves the situation there.
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    I'm not going to rely too heavily on the word of this guy. Slandering opponents is hardly unheard of in politics. However, his warnings about a civil war after the next ellections are worrying. Then again, since Afghanistan is already in a state of civil war, I'm not sure it'll get much worse.

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