German gangster-rap!?

All of this stuff gets produced in my neighberhood(Kreuzberg Berlin), and although its content is somwhat highly controversial, I take some pride my neighberhood is at least known for the best German gangster-rap. So what do youll people think, is it worth a listening, is it entertaining, does it suck and/or should gangster-rap in any language be banned etc?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXEvicG-NAI

I know this guy, he looks bad, but has a heart of gold: Massiv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sp06pAiyao

Another one of his: Massiv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZsFgHa4WBk

Indy label: Aggro Berlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJHquLENKxM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mjzDbnavLA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCHqggdsnc

A "German" guy: Fler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1chjzqKo8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHY3dYyY4Z8

These guys are really "bad" from the indy label Shok muzik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSVeKQprUk

This guy is selling crazy, and everyone hates him over here, but this song is dope: Bushido
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HKe3Su7tgic


I know this thread might get awarded stupidest ever, but hey at least I get awarded at something. Same principal counts for this "music" btw.

KB 36

It sucks.

I could have a tyranny about why it is bad (I even blame poverty on it) but that takes to much time.

I kinda agree with many arguments against gangster-rap, but its an outlet and makes many kids at least proud about something(comming from a bad ass rep neighberhood etc). These kids would have the same problems in life without such bad rolemodels. Its a part of ghetto-culture and at least is entertaining many around.

btw.I got laid a couple of times in other German citys, and mentioning I come from the famous rapper neighberhood shure helped getting those chicks where I wanted them.

You mean the: 'Im from the hood, I am so bad, I have no future but I made one for myself because of rap'-thing?

Thats the worst kind.

I thought you were Dutch btw?

Originally Posted by Atlassmurf

You mean the: 'Im from the hood, I am so bad, I have no future but I made one for myself because of rap'-thing?

Thats the worst kind.

I thought you were Dutch btw?

Yes, dont try to understand when your life is "nice" and middleclass.

I lived in the Bijlmer, Spangen and in two "achterbuurten" in Nijmegen indeed, but Im a German born in Berlin Kreuzberg and live again there with my family and friends. So I also know the Dutch rap-scene, there are some good rappers around, but overall the quallity is much lesser. I like Appa though.

Originally Posted by Thorn777

Yes, dont try to understand when your life is "nice" and middleclass.

I lived in the Bijlmer, Spangen and in two "achterbuurten" in Nijmegen indeed, but Im a German born in Berlin Kreuzberg and live again there with my family and friends. So I also know the Dutch rap-scene, there are some good rappers around, but overall the quallity is much lesser. I like Appa though.

He's a disgrace to rap, like most rappers.

''Allochtoon''
Blonds

Originally Posted by Thorn777

Yes, dont try to understand when your life is "nice" and middleclass.

I lived in the Bijlmer, Spangen and in two "achterbuurten" in Nijmegen indeed, but Im a German born in Berlin Kreuzberg and live again there with my family and friends. So I also know the Dutch rap-scene, there are some good rappers around, but overall the quallity is much lesser. I like Appa though.

Who says my life is middleclass?

But since YOU like rap, would you care to explain why?

Sorry if I sound stupid but I never understood what the big fuss about it was, I mean.. saying how bad you have it but the next day stealing? Kinda weird.

Originally Posted by Thorn777

I kinda agree with many arguments against gangster-rap, but its an outlet and makes many kids at least proud about something(comming from a bad ass rep neighberhood etc). These kids would have the same problems in life without such bad rolemodels. Its a part of ghetto-culture and at least is entertaining many around.

Stop while you guys are ahead...

Nothing good can come from glorifying stupidity (i.e. thug life)...

...why can't Public Enemy, KRS-1 or Common be used as models? Create positive uplifting music and the youth will imitate that...

Trust-and-believe there's nothing more corny or funny looking or annoying than an affluent suburban teen dressing/acting like a thug...

What's worse is the tendency for the suburban kids to want to be soooo hard that they...overreact...they start believing the hype and do dumb...stuff...just to show how "bad" they really are...

btw.I got laid a couple of times in other German citys, and mentioning I come from the famous rapper neighberhood shure helped getting those chicks where I wanted them.

...whatever works...lol...

Krauts should stick to techno and industrial.

Hell yar

Thats a good joke whats next Gaelic rap!

It's terrible to hear that gangster rap has spread across the pond.

Nothing greater than being proud of the street your from, or repping it so hard to the point where you kill someone from a different street just because. Gang bangers are easily the most retarded people on the planet. I don't know how it is in Germany, but there are opportunities a plenty to succeed in the world, but they are lazy and choose the easy way, ie slinging crack or ripping of convenience stores.

I stopped being interested in gangster rap when I got back from a real war, and a third world country where life is truly shite. It's really funny walking around in Prague and seeing guys all thugged out (and I'm thinking wtf??), but whatever. To each his own. I'll just scratch my head and wonder.

Originally Posted by Captain Jin

It's terrible to hear that gangster rap has spread across the pond.

Nothing greater than being proud of the street your from, or repping it so hard to the point where you kill someone from a different street just because. Gang bangers are easily the most retarded people on the planet. I don't know how it is in Germany, but there are opportunities a plenty to succeed in the world, but they are lazy and choose the easy way, ie slinging crack or ripping of convenience stores.

I stopped being interested in gangster rap when I got back from a real war, and a third world country where life is truly shite. It's really funny walking around in Prague and seeing guys all thugged out (and I'm thinking wtf??), but whatever. To each his own. I'll just scratch my head and wonder.

Yeah, I agree that many "G´s" are beyond ignorant, but what gets labeled as gangster-rap often carrys a very broad content.

Over here (in Berlin) its like this: no one has to starve or live under a bridge in theory, because we do have a functioning welfare-system taking care of the minimum needs of life. There will be no money left for tabacco/alcohol, clothing, a visit at the zoo etc though.
Berlin counts about 4 million people, and 1 million actually live of this welfare because the unemployement rate is at 20%, no minimum-wages so jobs pay really bad over here, even quallified jobs pay bad.
My half-sister is a teacher and works for 1euro an hour on top of her welfare to teach children. Emagin what goes through these kids mind: my teacher makes 1 euro an hour, what should I study for?
The city of Berlin has a death of 65 billion euros, and is closing soup-kitchens espescially made for children of welfare-parents all over the place, to pay some of that money back. btw.An Imam in Kenia heard of the Berlin situation, and collected a container of food in his community(Kenia), to send it to the "rich" Germany.

As much as the comparising of poor vs poor irritates me, I admit that it can get even whorse, but exactly the fight against poverty is the content of these often labeled "gangster-rap".

btw.I find an uprising against your corrupt and hypocrit state a greater cause than fighting an illegal war in Iraq.

Originally Posted by Thorn777

btw.I find an uprising against your corrupt and hypocrit state a greater cause than fighting an illegal war in Iraq.

Why would I want to support an uprising in my own country? Granted, there is corruption, and I can't stand politicians. And there are things about this country that need serious reform. But an uprising? That's a good idea. Look at how well that's been working out in Africa, or in countries like Haiti.

No, I'll take my 'illegal' war in Iraq over that any day. In the United States of America my best friend's dad grew up in the slums of a Flint Michigan. He worked his ass of and went to Michigan university, and now he's a damn brain surgeon. And he's the farthest thing from a priveleged white kid. He was poor as hell and is the son of two immigrants from Iraq, he's Assyrian. And that's where he is now. THAT's America. That's proof that you can make it.

Originally Posted by Captain Jin

Why would I want to support an uprising in my own country? Granted, there is corruption, and I can't stand politicians. And there are things about this country that need serious reform. But an uprising? That's a good idea. Look at how well that's been working out in Africa, or in countries like Haiti.

No, I'll take my 'illegal' war in Iraq over that any day. In the United States of America my best friend's dad grew up in the slums of a Flint Michigan. He worked his ass of and went to Michigan university, and now he's a damn brain surgeon. And he's the farthest thing from a priveleged white kid. He was poor as hell and is the son of two immigrants from Iraq, he's Assyrian. And that's where he is now. THAT's America. That's proof that you can make it.

Well, after the wood has burned, a greater wood will rise again.

I whas by saying "your" also meaning my country. In all seriousness, you cant have a Y number of "American dreams" on a Y number of people, espescially not in our present crumbeling and corrupt economical/political spectrum.

"I rather die like a thug, then live like a coward"

I can't believe that people here complain about german Gangsta-rap and no one complains about French Gangsta-rap!

Originally Posted by Thorn777

"I rather die like a thug, then live like a coward"

I like this better

'I'd rather live like a coward, then die like an idiot.'

Originally Posted by Thorn777

All of this stuff gets produced in my neighberhood (Kreuzberg Berlin),

awsome! I have been to Kreuzberg many times... I dont really care about German gansta rap, but oh well... sweet memories...

PS: my favourite German rap

@Czar

Really, good to hear.....Its a great place still. As the gay major of Berlin who thinks he looks like Alec Baldwin stated: Berlin is poor, but sexy. Berlin espescially Kreuzberg has an exciting nightlife going on, where all the kinds of people can really get their freak on. Evil Jared of the US band the Bloodhoundgang and Brangelina currently moved here, and EJ lives right in the middle of Kreuzberg, just as David Bowie and Iggy Pop in the 80s did. Also large parts of the art scene have left New York and came to Berlin, because the New York of Giulianni and Bloomberg has lost much of its former flair, wich they have found in Berlin somehow(low housing costs compared to NY play a major role to). Through all the hardships I wouldnt want to live anywhere else.

PS. The vid of the F4 is a "no no" in my eyes and ears, although they have some very funny and sometimes intellegent lyrics going on. Its how middleclass hiphop is suposed to sound, I guess.

btw.Thomas D, one of the F4 gave his last music award to a German "G" rapper named Sido, because he found he deserved it more and that these "G" rappers get ignored by the media.

@akaPallantides

Good to hear, I suspect a shipload of ironic salt is decorising your posts then.

God bless Joe Cocker, hes a great singer.

Originally Posted by Thorn777

God bless Joe Cocker, hes a great singer.

Joe Cocker is excellent.