Conservative party votes to repeal section 13

[Scar Face]

The Conservative party has voted overwhelmingly to repeal section 13 of the Canadian Human rights act. Apparently at their policy convention the party has moved to the right. As I hoped. Viva le Reform. Anywho, section 13 is essentially hate crime legislation for the internet. With Stephen Harpers ability to pass through wildly unpopular laws before, when he had less seats than now, its essentially a foregone conclusion- section 13 is going to die.

What do you all think?

[Aetius]

Lol, Canadian politics.

[Scar Face]

Lol, Canadian politics.

How is it living in a Socialist Utopia? My country is moving to the right, yours to the left. I'm quite pleased with recent developments, how about you?

[Admiral Nelson]

How is it living in a Socialist Utopia? My country is moving to the right, yours to the left. I'm quite pleased with recent developments, how about you?

Just because the governing party is moving to the right, doesn't mean Canada will follow it.

A clear majority (60%+) of Canadians voted for one of the four left wing parties on October 14. Still over 50% if you don't count the Bloc. If we had proportional representation, we'd undoubtedly see a Liberal/NDP/Green coalition.

Besides, Harper didn't get to where he is on a right-wing platform. He's positioned himself as centre-right.

Canada is still a centre-left country. Only the divided left is keeping the CONservatives afloat.

[Scar Face]

Just because the governing party is moving to the right, doesn't mean Canada will follow it.

A clear majority (60%+) of Canadians voted for one of the four left wing parties on October 14. Still over 50% if you don't count the Bloc. If we had proportional representation, we'd undoubtedly see a Liberal/NDP/Green coalition.

Besides, Harper didn't get to where he is on a right-wing platform. He's positioned himself as centre-right.

Canada is still a centre-left country. Only the divided left is keeping the CONservatives afloat.

Yes, we Conservatives are still outnumbered in totality. However the more a Conservative ruling Government does well, the more moderates will look to the party in a positive way. In the past, Liberal propaganda made it look like Conservatives were essentially fascists. The Conservative party has grown tremendously, its policies implemented successfully. Given enough time- even if we must win due to the fractured left- and Canada will come along for the ride. They always do. But really, we are going off topic, so we should end it here. It's all theories after all.

[Last Roman]

How is it living in a Socialist Utopia?

and there goes any credibility you had on America.

[MaximiIian]

Lol, Canadian politics.

I know. Like, the total opposite of here's.
In Canada the Conservatives want to ensure net neutrality? LOL WUT.

[Ulyaoth]

The more I learn about Canada the more I start to like actually.

[Strattios]

Sweet. I live 15 minute from the border and have dual-citizenship. Hopefully one country will be more or less moving right at all times. The more I hear about the bull that has been happening to Mark Steyn from the Canadian government, the more pissed off I get. Free Speech my foot. Sorry to hear about what Jennifer Lynch did at the Remembrance Day ceremonies in Ottawa. Clouding over the veterans by giving thanks to the UN.

ps: My Sig is an excerpt from one of his articles at http://www.steynonline.com
Warning: He is a Conservative! Meaning many people will simply get pissed off and try to blame me for what he says or try to insult what he says. Let it be.

[D.B. Cooper]

I've always said, let the idiots rave hate speech with anonymity on the Internet but as soon as they start going door-to-door or preaching their hate on street corners they can be accused of hate crimes. It's their website for preaching hate, they can do what they want however ridiculous it is, if you don't like it then don't go to the site.

And Canadian politics are very dull indeed. Nobody watched the Canadian election when it was on, but there was a huge crowd around the TV for the American election results.

[Hunter Makoy]

The Conservative party has voted overwhelmingly to repeal section 13 of the Canadian Human rights act. Apparently at their policy convention the party has moved to the right. As I hoped. Viva le Reform. Anywho, section 13 is essentially hate crime legislation for the internet. With Stephen Harpers ability to pass through wildly unpopular laws before, when he had less seats than now, its essentially a foregone conclusion- section 13 is going to die.

What do you all think?

i dont live in canada so this is the first i've heard of it. but it seems like it will certainly be doing away with a law that seems unneeded. Even traditional hate crime legislation can be twisted and used in ways that it shouldn't be, i can't imagin wat an internet hate crime law could be turned into.

[Pickle_mole]

Let South park do the talking with your anti-free speach ways concerning the use of "hate" speech Ar-Pharazon.

[bigfootedfred]

Let South park do the talking with your anti-free speach ways concerning the use of "hate" speech Ar-Pharazon.

"i have a big problem with hate crime leglslation. i would love for you boys to go down and the governer a peice of my mind"

"why dont you go yourself?"

"oh he wouldnt listen to me, im black"

hehe

the more recent one was bloody funny too

[GuineaPig]

Wait, isn't this just a rephrasing of the motion introduced by a Liberal MP earlier in the year?

http://ezralevant.com/2008/01/huge-n...bers-bill.html

Well, I think this shows that both sides can agree on something: Section 13 is dumb, and deserves to be either scrapped or drastically changed.

[Hunter Makoy]

well u already know it dumb when all u need is South Park to prove ur point for u.

[Aetius]

well u already know it dumb when all u need is South Park to prove ur point for u.

South Park is a social commentary which is deceptively "dumb"

It is in fact a poinent critic of society and illustrates our greatest flaws within a cartoon. I would like see you attempt to make a cartoon that comes close to matching this.

[Hunter Makoy]

it is also a cartoon which often times goes to far when trying to prove a point. the "vote or die" episode anyone? and i never said South Park was dumb, but anyone who can take perfectly legitimate arguments from any cartoon show against a law just shows how dumb the LAW is.

but this thread isn't about South Park now is it?

[Admiral Piett]

There are some of aspects of Canada I like politically. However, it's far too damn cold for me.

[Markas]

I'm sure the The Heritage Front, the Canadian Liberty Net, the Manitoba Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and the National Knights Network are all ecstatic and planning their new recorded hate messages with glee.

If I were a jew, immigrant, lesbian or gay man living in Canada I simply couldn't wait for the victimisation. I suppose I'm glad in a way it's been repealed but it ain't all good.

[Каие]

Viva le Reform.

How 'un-canadian.'

What do you all think?

Canadian Human Rights Act, Section 13.
English

Hate messages

13. (1) It is a discriminatory practice for a person or a group of persons acting in concert to communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated, repeatedly, in whole or in part by means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the legislative authority of Parliament, any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.


Interpretation;
(2) For greater certainty, subsection (1) applies in respect of a matter that is communicated by means of a computer or a group of interconnected or related computers, including the Internet, or any similar means of communication, but does not apply in respect of a matter that is communicated in whole or in part by means of the facilities of a broadcasting undertaking.


Interpretation;
(3) For the purposes of this section, no owner or operator of a telecommunication undertaking communicates or causes to be communicated any matter described in subsection (1) by reason only that the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking owned or operated by that person are used by other persons for the transmission of that matter.

French

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Propagande haineuse


13. (1) Constitue un acte discriminatoire le fait, pour une personne ou un groupe de personnes agissant d’un commun accord, d’utiliser ou de faire utiliser un téléphone de façon répétée en recourant ou en faisant recourir aux services d’une entreprise de télécommunication relevant de la compétence du Parlement pour aborder ou faire aborder des questions susceptibles d’exposer à la haine ou au mépris des personnes appartenant à un groupe identifiable sur la base des critères énoncés à l’article 3.


Interprétation
(2) Il demeure entendu que le paragraphe (1) s’applique à l’utilisation d’un ordinateur, d’un ensemble d’ordinateurs connectés ou reliés les uns aux autres, notamment d’Internet, ou de tout autre moyen de communication semblable mais qu’il ne s’applique pas dans les cas où les services d’une entreprise de radiodiffusion sont utilisés.


Interprétation
(3) Pour l’application du présent article, le propriétaire ou exploitant d’une entreprise de télécommunication ne commet pas un acte discriminatoire du seul fait que des tiers ont utilisé ses installations pour aborder des questions visées au paragraphe (1).

I must agree however, it seems pretty silly, and completely unnecessary not to mention un-enforceable.

How is it living in a Socialist Utopia? My country is moving to the right, yours to the left. I'm quite pleased with recent developments, how about you?

I don't see how this is a 'Right' or 'Conservative' Issue, not least something to boast about and highlight as evidence your country 'moving to the right'... Canada moving to the right is like when Lenin introduced NEP.