US Marine sergeant & wife murdered by fellow Marines

[Ciabhán]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...rtured_-2.html

Not sure what to say other than the culprits are a waste of oxygen. Hopefully the US military will retain it's jurisdiction and execute these worthless scum.

[Axeman]

Agreed , a disgrace to armed forces in the United States.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Can't quite understand why they would do this ??
The money motive seems strange.
I don't know, just always heard that marines got a strong sense of brotherhood and would seem strange to kill another marine and his wife in this sorta way just for cash.

[Justice and Mercy]

Can't quite understand why they would do this ??
The money motive seems strange.
I don't know, just always heard that marines got a strong sense of brotherhood and would seem strange to kill another marine and his wife in this sorta way just for cash.

Why?

They're people. People kill people for money.

What the US military should do after trying them in court is executing them by firing squad.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Why?

They're people. People kill people for money.

However I heard that marines get the whole "every marine is your brother" type of thingy beaten into them during training, it seems strange that people from his own squad kills him and his wife for something as petty as money.

[Justice and Mercy]

However I heard that marines get the whole "every marine is your brother" type of thingy beaten into them during training, it seems strange that people from his own squad kills him and his wife for something as petty as money.

Money is never petty.

[shadyrome]

Can't quite understand why they would do this ??
The money motive seems strange.
I don't know, just always heard that marines got a strong sense of brotherhood and would seem strange to kill another marine and his wife in this sorta way just for cash.

Maybe its a hate crime, Thats the only one i can think of.

[morteduzionism]

Can't quite understand why they would do this ??
The money motive seems strange.
I don't know, just always heard that marines got a strong sense of brotherhood and would seem strange to kill another marine and his wife in this sorta way just for cash.

Reports say that the authorities think there's something more to it also because the wife was brutalized before being killed.

I don't know what "brutalized" means but...I guess they're trying to hint at some deeper issues.

[Mikelus Trento]

No doubt in my mind they went after the couple because of the mixed marriage. This crime is as repulsive imo as the hate crime in Jasper, Texas not too many years ago.

[shadyrome]

No doubt in my mind they went after the couple because of the mixed marriage. This crime is as repulsive imo as the hate crime in Jasper, Texas not too many years ago.

Why isn't this big news..?

[Pallantides]

No doubt in my mind they went after the couple because of the mixed marriage. This crime is as repulsive imo as the hate crime in Jasper, Texas not too many years ago.

It's only a hate crime when the perpetrators are white.

[chamaeleo]

Marine sergeant owns 5 bedroom house in S CA...fishy.

Pietrzak's mother said she can't understand how Marines could have committed such a crime.
"Don't the Marines screen out people like this?" she said. "Didn't they know they had murderers under their roof?"

What a strange statement. Why on Earth would the Corp screen out ruthless murderers?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Marine sergeant owns 5 bedroom house in S CA...fishy.

What a strange statement. Why on Earth would the Corp screen out ruthless murderers?

They create trained killers, they don't train murderers.

If that makes sense to you..

[chamaeleo]

They create trained killers, they don't train murderers.

If that makes sense to you..

It does.

Nevertheless, trained killers are probably more comfy with the idea of murder than most.

The military pays housing money so thats entirely possible.

A sergeant with a 5 bedroom HOUSE, in Riverside County?

Recent sales figures indicate that the average purchase price of a home in Riverside is currently $401,520.

source: http://www.california-relocation.org...ia-relocation/

That's current price, average value is actually $430k...who knows when the poor dude actually bought it. 5 BR homes run a bit more than 3 BR homes, a more reasonable equivalent to "average home"..

[Farnan]

A sergeant with a 5 bedroom HOUSE, in Riverside County?

source: http://www.california-relocation.org...ia-relocation/

That's current price, average value is actually $430k...who knows when the poor dude actually bought it. 5 BR homes run a bit more than 3 BR homes, a more reasonable equivalent to "average home"..

Bought it with a mortgage. Pays the mortgage with his Sergeant's pay + Basic Allowance for Housing (which is an additional $1711 per month). Pay received while in Iraq + Bonuses could probably get the down payment.

A 30 year mortgage at 5.75 % (the defaults in the Mortgage Calculator) puts the payments at 2626.08 per month. Seeing as an E-5 with 6 years of service makes 2405.10 a month plus the 1711 BAH he makes enough he can afford, albeit barely, the house. That is assuming the wife doesn't work.

[Ciabhán]

It does.

Nevertheless, trained killers are probably more comfy with the idea of murder than most.


A sergeant with a 5 bedroom HOUSE, in Riverside County?

source: http://www.california-relocation.org...ia-relocation/

That's current price, average value is actually $430k...who knows when the poor dude actually bought it. 5 BR homes run a bit more than 3 BR homes, a more reasonable equivalent to "average home"..

You will see that an E5 stationed at Camp Pendleton/Riverside is given an allowance of over $1500 a month for housing. Lets say the average mortgage on a $450,000 house is around $2500 a month maybe a little more according to mortgage calculators.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...nldep/blca.htm

We can assume he had a couple years in service so at his pay grade with cumulative years he was pulling around $2200, before any special allowances, a month plus his wife's pay. They might not have had a whole lot left over after everything but it is within reason that they could afford the house without anything illegal going on.

[chamaeleo]

You will see that an E5 stationed at Camp Pendleton/Riverside is given an allowance of over $1500 a month for housing. Lets say the average mortgage on a $450,000 house is around $2500 a month maybe a little more according to mortgage calculators.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...nldep/blca.htm

We can assume he had a couple years in service so at his pay grade with cumulative years he was pulling around $2200, before any special allowances, a month plus his wife's pay. They might not have had a whole lot left over after everything but it is within reason that they could afford the house without anything illegal going on.

I agree that it is possible, I just think it's very unlikely. You will not find any $450k homes in urban S CA with 5 BR...my girlfriend's MS advisor paid $350k for a 1950's 2BR, 0.10 acre, ~800ft2 cinderblock home in Reseda (San Fernando Valley, pretty slummy, most of his neighbors kept chickens...) in 2002...just BEFORE the real estate boom. We all told him he was nuts, but it was worth over $500k two years later!

If this guy was in any way financially strapped, maybe there were some shady dealings to compensate?

[Farnan]

Marine sergeant owns 5 bedroom house in S CA...fishy.

The military pays housing money so thats entirely possible.

What a strange statement. Why on Earth would the Corp screen out ruthless murderers?

Because ruthless murderers are worthless to most militaries.

[Pallantides]

The perpetrators:

[Carach]

The perpetrators:

bet it was actually racially related! but who wants to bet black on white doesnt get considered racist