Facing Obama, Iran Suddenly Hedges on Talks

[Gauvin]

Since 2006, Iran's leaders have called for direct, unconditional talks with the United States to resolve international concerns over their nuclear program. But as an American administration open to such negotiations prepares to take power, Iran's political and military leaders are sounding suddenly wary of President-elect Barack Obama.

"People who put on a mask of friendship, but with the objective of betrayal, and who enter from the angle of negotiations without preconditions, are more dangerous," Hossein Taeb, deputy commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, said Wednesday, according to the semiofficial Mehr News Agency.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...203075_pf.html

Was Bush and McCain right about Iran?

McCain: I won't talk with Iran

Iran: We want to talk!!! Let us talk!

Obama: I'll talk with Iran

Iran: Forget it, you're worse than Bush. We hate America.

[morteduzionism]

"People who put on a mask of friendship, but with the objective of betrayal, and who enter from the angle of negotiations without preconditions, are more dangerous," Hossein Taeb, deputy commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, said Wednesday, according to the semiofficial Mehr News Agency.

So what did Obama spook them or something? They can't figure out his angle so they're stepping back? This is funny on so many levels...

[Boyar Son]

So what did Obama spook them or something? They can't figure out his angle so they're stepping back? This is funny on so many levels...

US-lets talk now!

Iran- gasp! whats your angle? are you tryin to trick us? HUH, HUH?

[Gauvin]

Iran is run by religious fanatics. They might've believed Obama would join them in their struggle against Israel, and the country he was elected to preside over.

What people don't seem to understand is that the Iranian leaderships hatred of America is more based on religious principles than on America's foreign policy, but they use the foreign policy to make their grievances look more legitimate to a war-weary world.

[Каие]

What people don't seem to understand is that the Iranian leaderships hatred of America is more based on religious principles

No it isn't. The Amero-Persian chasm is entirely political.

[Mikelus Trento]

They have two choices...either talk and halt the program.....or face the Israeli air strike.

Based on the answer he gave at his press conference last Friday, I would surmise they have figured out Obama isn't going to go easy on them. And some might argue Obama has a point to prove by being as hard line, or moreso, than Bush.

I feel a little sorry for world leaders who had concluded Obama would be easier on him.

No No No

[Panzerbear]

They have two choices...either talk and halt the program.....or face the Israeli air strike.

you do realize that Israel will not be stupid enough to strike Iran, dont you?
at the very worst case, USAF will do it for them.

[Mikelus Trento]

you do realize that Israel will not be stupid enough to strike Iran, dont you?
at the very worst case, USAF will do it for them.

Of course they will. They have done it twice before, once to Iraq and once to Syria. And they have been practicing for long range missions. And they have the munitions to do it. And the need.

Why in heavens name would you think they wouldn't?

You think they are afraid of Iran?

[Gauvin]

No it isn't. The Amero-Persian chasm is entirely political.

Sure, religion has no motivation whatsoever for the Islamic Republic of Iran headed by ignorant mullahs and other religious fanatics.

They don't really believe, for instance, that Jesus is returning to the world to kill pigs?

To say it is entirely political is pretty absolute, I didn't even do that.

It's frankly ignorant to think that their religious beliefs have absolutely no impact on their attitude towards America which they see as the apex of immorality and sin, by their own words.

I suppose there's absolutely no religious significance in the words of Iran's Supreme Leader that America is "Islam's greatest enemy."

You are the same people who claim the fact that ONLY Muslim countries don't recognize Israel is political and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.... perhaps you can explain how Malaysian, Pakistani, and Moroccan politics are affected by Israel's existence. Come on, it's time to start being honest with yourselves.

People from your religion hate us, because your religion tells them to, regardless of how you yourself interpret it. I know the texts, I was a Muslim, they don't get it from nowhere, they get it from primary islamic sources, they get from Muhammad's life, his words, and your Qur'an, they get it from the most respected scholars, and Caliphs.

Ahmadinejad likes Obama. However, the Iranians are probably disheartened by Obama's staunch pro-Israel stance. Nevertheless, I think they should still talk.

He does not like Obama... lol. He prefers Obama, because he thinks Obama is easier to stall.

[John I Tzimisces]

Sure, religion has no motivation whatsoever for the Islamic Republic of Iran headed by ignorant mullahs and other religious fanatics.

They don't really believe, for instance, that Jesus is returning to the world to kill pigs?

To say it is entirely political is pretty absolute, I didn't even do that.

It's frankly ignorant to think that their religious beliefs have absolutely no impact on their attitude towards America which they see as the apex of immorality and sin, by their own words.

I suppose there's absolutely no religious significance in the words of Iran's Supreme Leader that America is "Islam's greatest enemy."

You are the same people who claim the fact that ONLY Muslim countries don't recognize Israel is political and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.... perhaps you can explain how Malaysian, Pakistani, and Moroccan politics are affected by Israel's existence. Come on, it's time to start being honest with yourselves.

People from your religion hate us, because your religion tells them to, regardless of how you yourself interpret it. I know the texts, I was a Muslim, they don't get it from nowhere, they get it from primary islamic sources, they get from Muhammad's life, his words, and your Qur'an, they get it from the most respected scholars, and Caliphs.



He does not like Obama... lol. He prefers Obama, because he thinks Obama is easier to stall.

Yes, I'm sure their hatred of us has more to do with all that nonsense as opposed to our propping up the shah's brutal administration (the economy might have been better but the current government isn't turning machine guns on protestors.) and later supporting Iraq in one of the bloodiest conventional wars in the last century.

[Каие]

Sure, religion has no motivation whatsoever for the Islamic Republic of Iran headed by ignorant mullahs and other religious fanatics. They don't really believe, for instance, that Jesus is returning to the world to kill pigs? To say it is entirely political is pretty absolute, I didn't even do that. It's frankly ignorant to think that their religious beliefs have absolutely no impact on their attitude towards America which they see as the apex of immorality and sin, by their own words. I suppose there's absolutely no religious significance in the words of Iran's Supreme Leader that America is "Islam's greatest enemy."

Tell me something, what is the link between the Middle East, Secularism/modernisation and Islam in relation to the USA?

You are the same people who claim the fact that ONLY Muslim countries don't recognize Israel is political and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.... perhaps you can explain how Malaysian, Pakistani, and Moroccan politics are affected by Israel's existence. Come on, it's time to start being honest with yourselves.

Doesn't bother me, I don't hold any Muslim countries in pretty high regard, the answer to that is I do not know what their real intentions are, it could be Islam they after all did not recognise the Taliban too, but on the other hand they don't recognise Kosovo either. It can't be 'Arab brotherhood' as they oppressed the Palestinians before the Israelis did, and don't even help them.

I would say it is mostly out of a bad attempt at political unity, as the Arab league at least, will accept Israel and totally normalise relations if they agree to the Independence of Palestine with East Jerusalem as the capital in accordance with the Arab League declaration of 2002 [which Israel accepted].

People from your religion hate us, because your religion tells them to, regardless of how you yourself interpret it.

This is clearly wrong. People from my home land hate the west not because of religion but because of history. It is the same in the Middle East, you will get your answer if you know the answer to the question above.

What is the link between the Middle East, Secularism/modernisation and Islam in relation to the USA?

I know the texts, I was a Muslim, they don't get it from nowhere, they get it from primary islamic sources, they get from Muhammad's life, his words, and your Qur'an, they get it from the most respected scholars, and Caliphs.

And as always, time and time again, you only have one recurring argument whether or not it is relevant. Islam is evil. It makes you just as bad as the radical Muslims one recurring declaration time and time again, the west is evil. All that changes is the blanks. I consider your ilk, an obstacle to both peace and the destruction of the Islamic radicals who have plagued me and my people [both of them] all my life.

If it makes you feel good inside by all means do so, but when you are ready to discuss politics [and religion] objectively do let me know.

[jankren]

He does not like Obama... lol. He prefers Obama, because he thinks Obama is easier to stall.

He was one of the first to congratulate Obama for his victory. May I know whats your evidence that he doesnt like him?

[Jab5450]

No it isn't. The Amero-Persian chasm is entirely political.

If you really believe that ..I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Каие]

If you really believe that ..I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I'm afraid I don't follow...

[Sphere]

Well, Iranians support Ahmadinejad for political reasons, rather than religious.
I just don't believe that 70 millions of people would vote for someone out of religious reasons. Its just hard to understand the situation, with majority of media taking only one side.

Iranians support Ahmadinejad because the top 2,500 Reform party candidates were removed from the ballot by Khomeni in 2004. If a free and fair election were held today, Khatami would probably win in my opinion. Mainly because Obama doesn't fit the "Great Devil" profile that the conservatives thrive on.

[Dr. Croccer]

Iran is run by religious fanatics. They might've believed Obama would join them in their struggle against Israel, and the country he was elected to preside over.

What people don't seem to understand is that the Iranian leaderships hatred of America is more based on religious principles than on America's foreign policy, but they use the foreign policy to make their grievances look more legitimate to a war-weary world.

Rather the other way around. It's almost entirely political. It stems from the revolution against the Shah and became the Iranian introvertness which basically gave the finger to the foreign powers of the US, Israel and the USSR. Thanks to the Iraqi-Iran war, the feelings became even more fanatic. The only difference between now and 20 years ago is that Iran lost one enemy.

[Panzerbear]

I am dying to see Obama and Ahmadinijad actually sit down and do some diplomatic magic.

[Каие]

Me too. If Iran rejects these straight talks then them.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Me too. If Iran rejects these straight talks then them.

HERE HERE!

(remind in january to rep you)

[touchmaster]

Me too. If Iran rejects these straight talks then them.

lol, one step ahead of ya buddy.