Heroes

[Monthy]

Hi,

Is there posibility to made Heroes for all countries? One for every country or more. This generals could spawn like Mongols.

You know something like William Walice, Joan of Arc...?

[davidtotalwar]

I think having heroes in the game is a bad idea for a few reasons.

Firstly just having an hero just appearing out of no where with an army would unbalance the game.

Secondly these so called heroes came in to being in history because of pacific events which happened in their lives which coursed them to act in the way that they did. Such as William Wallace only became famous because he led an uprising opposing English rule in Scotland. So if in the game England does not invade Scotland then having William Wallace appear makes the game seem wrong.

Thirdly I think the idea of the mod is to have a chance of changing history meaning having new heroes not some random old ones which just appear.

Lastly having Heroes will lead to too many arguments over who should be a hero an who should not be. For example for England you could argue that Edward I, Edward III and Henry V all deserve to be heroes so who gets do decide which one is a hero and which ones are not.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

I think having heroes in the game is a bad idea for a few reasons.

Firstly just having an hero just appearing out of no where with an army would unbalance the game.

Secondly these so called heroes came in to being in history because of pacific events which happened in their lives which coursed them to act in the way that they did. Such as William Wallace only became famous because he led an uprising opposing English rule in Scotland. So if in the game England does not invade Scotland then having William Wallace appear makes the game seem wrong.

Thirdly I think the idea of the mod is to have a chance of changing history meaning having new heroes not some random old ones which just appear.

Lastly having Heroes will lead to too many arguments over who should be a hero an who should not be. For example for England you could argue that Edward I, Edward III and Henry V all deserve to be heroes so who gets do decide which one is a hero and which ones are not.

O come on thats the whole point nothings balanced in medieval warfare! for example there have always been heroes "appearing out of no-where" for example how did william wallace and robert the bruce earn fame they were simple captains and rose up. Surely such a brilliant idea could be designed however i feel that if enemey captains keep attacking you and winning they should be given titles for example Fulk de Strong or any other action words that are associated with strength in warfare, and depending on what they did to you.

[Akrotatos]

As david said.....

Perhaps you should try Age of Mythology?

[Monthy]

davidtotalwar

You have absolutly right from historicly point of view, but we all play for fun! Remember this

I was thinking of appearing Heroes without any army, only one general unit.

[Walkman810i]

This is a historical mod. Even historicaly accurate mod can be fun without any heroes.

[xzyx]

Can be fun with them as well...

anyway I think he meant to include at least the "traditional" heroes like william wallace, who would spawn under certain conditions. (Like england takes X regions of scotland and there's Y% chance wallace will show up, either with or without an army).

A thread could also disscuss who would be included and their abilities (if that's also possible to mod --- I know the french/antioch heroe in "Crusades" could make all his troops get an attack bonus for a short while. Lionheart also had something like that.)

[helmersen]

I think this is a great idea! I love having historical charachters, and I dont think the game should be super-historical, if the game wont be any fun. So Im pro- heroes.

[Theodotos I]

Not if they're going to be represented as within Kingdoms, with all these special abilities. If they were represented historically, perhaps. . .

[aduellist]

I agree with davidtotalwar completely. Makes no sense to have historical "heroes" in game. Once you hit the end turn button on turn 1 you've altered the historical conditions that would give rise to them. So go forth, do battle, and make your own heroes!

[Copperknickers II]

There will be no heroes in this mod. There will be historical characters, in that we have researcher the entire historical family trees for pretty much every one of our factions. I think Hross plans on including people like Wallace and Bruce, as well. I hope so.

[aduellist]

There will be no heroes in this mod. There will be historical characters, in that we have researcher the entire historical family trees for pretty much every one of our factions. I think Hross plans on including people like Wallace and Bruce, as well. I hope so.

Post 1000 for copperknickers!!!

[McMarx]

How about this... If your hero has much (over 7) dread, then he gets negative abilities such as the demoralize ability. If he has chivalry (over 7), he gets positive abilities such as the morale ability. Or something along those lines. That way you could make your own hero from your own family tree with his own abilities based on his personal traits.

[OdinX]

Well for a moment there I was pro heroes, but then again it's better to make your own.

[davidtotalwar]

Copperknickers could you please explain the difference between historical heroes and historical characters and how they will be implemented into the mod.

Monthy I don't see why a historical mod would be no fun. I don't know why other people came to have a look at this mod but I came to have a look because it says it will be a historical mod.

[Copperknickers II]

Copperknickers could you please explain the difference between historical heroes and historical characters and how they will be implemented into the mod.

Heroes, imo, is a term for wax-faced worryingly humanoid aliens in capes. We will have plenty of well known characters, and some of those will be legendary warriors and leaders, therefore their attributes will (within reason allowing for development) reflect that, i presume.

There is a difference between 7ft tall war painted claymore wielding battle-mages with the ability to turn the enemy away at a single sentence of Scottish vulgarisms, and historical warriors such as Bruce and Wallace who were great leaders and tactical genii. (i use scottish examples purely because i am scottish myself, btw, all cultures will be represented in this way as well)

[Basil 11]

Heroes, imo, is a term for wax-faced worryingly humanoid aliens in capes. We will have plenty of well known characters, and some of those will be legendary warriors and leaders, therefore their attributes will (within reason allowing for development) reflect that, i presume.

There is a difference between 7ft tall war painted claymore wielding battle-mages with the ability to turn the enemy away at a single sentence of Scottish vulgarisms, and historical warriors such as Bruce and Wallace who were great leaders and tactical genii. (i use scottish examples purely because i am scottish myself, btw, all cultures will be represented in this way as well)

But maybe we want 7ft mages who turn the enemy away with Scottish vulgarisms...

[aduellist]

Those are already intrinsically part of Dread and Chivalry. Dread generals demoralize the enemy and Chivalrous generals boost morale of their own troops.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

There have always been heroes in every country...

[davidtotalwar]

Emperor Richard my problem with heroes in the game has little to do with game balance its mostly to do with that I believe that historical accuracy will damaged because of them.

The reason I say that I have already stated earlier but basically these people only acted in the way that did because of events around them. If these event were changed then these people would probably not act in the same way.

A good compromise would be for example if your playing at Scotland at a curtain time you could get a new family called William Wallace, then you can chose to ever raise him through the ranks or leave him in a city some where. This in my opinion would better show the effects of a changed history and you can have your famous historical person.