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    Default Russian Ruble Under Attack -- drained more than 20 percent of its currency reserves

    Can we blame Putin for this one? Or is there another genius at work undermining sane banking practices?

    Russia Debt Risk Jumps After `Clumsy' Ruble Widening, Rate Rise


    By Denis Maternovsky and Bradley Cook

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    Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of protecting against a default by Russia soared after the central bank increased the ruble's trading band and lifted its benchmark interest rate to stem record capital outflows.

    Credit-default swaps on Russian government bonds jumped to 7.87 percent of the amount insured from 6.14 percent yesterday, according to CMA Datavision prices. The yield on its 30-year dollar bonds increased to 10.77 percent from 9.1 percent, according to Bloomberg prices.

    The central bank's widening of its ruble target against a basket of dollars and euros by 1 percent yesterday ``achieved nothing'' and cost almost $7 billion of the nation's foreign- currency reserves, according to analysts at Renaissance Capital. Russia joins Hungary, Iceland and Pakistan among a handful of central banks raising interest rates to stem currency losses, as the rest of the world cuts the benchmarks to spur lending.

    ``The current pressures have largely been provoked by the central bank itself, whose recent clumsy steps in the currency market triggered a new speculative attack on the ruble,'' analysts led by Alexei Moisseev at Renaissance in Moscow said in a report today.

    Russia has drained more than 20 percent of its currency reserves, the world's third largest, to stem a 15 percent slide in the ruble against the dollar since the start of August as investors withdrew about $147 billion, according to BNP Paribas SA data to Nov. 10.

    Fitch Ratings and Standard & Poor's said they may downgrade the nation's debt because the slide in reserves. The total at $484.7 billion remains more than double the combined international reserves of the eurozone nations.

    Damaged Confidence

    The ruble slid 1 percent yesterday, the most in two months, after the central bank indicated it would scale back its defense of the currency as officials grapple with the worst financial crisis since the 1998 devaluation. The ruble was 0.02 percent lower against the basket, comprised of about 55 percent dollars and 45 percent euros, at 30.7079 at 2:46 p.m. in Moscow.

    Stock market regulators suspended the Micex Index after a 13 percent plunge in the ruble-denominated benchmark yesterday, the biggest decline worldwide. The dollar-denominated RTS Index fell 13 percent today. The MSCI Emerging Markets Index fell 1.4 percent to 551.55.

    ``The central bank's decision to devalue yesterday badly undercut confidence in the currency,'' said Ronald Smith, chief strategist at Alfa Bank in Moscow.

    Oil Shock

    Investors are selling Russian assets as a 60 percent slump in the price of oil since July cuts the revenue from the country's biggest export. Crude oil for December delivery fell as much as 1.3 percent to $58.55 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, a 20-month low, on evidence that a looming global recession is weakening demand.
    Oil prices next year will probably average $50 a barrel, rising to $55 in 2010 and $60 in 2011, Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin told lawmakers in the upper house of parliament today.

    A weaker ruble is ``unavoidable'' because an outlook of lower oil prices means the central bank will need to keep its reserves, Clemens Grafe, an emerging-market analyst at UBS AG wrote in a research note today.
    Russia, the world's second largest oil producer, will have to widen its currency target ``fairly quickly'' by about 10-15 percent and raise the rates further ``in order not to lose a lot more reserves,'' according to the UBS note.

    `Meaningless Devaluations'

    The cost of protecting against a default by OAO Sberbank, Russia's largest lender, surged to 8 percent from 5.65 percent, while credit-default swaps on OAO Gazprom, the largest company, increased to 11.5 percent from 9 percent.

    Credit-default swaps, conceived to protect bondholders against default, pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a borrower fail to adhere to its debt agreements. An increase indicates deterioration in the perception of credit quality.
    Sberbank bonds plunged, sending the yield on five-year notes due 2013 up 70 basis points to 15.29 percent, Bloomberg prices show.

    ``With yesterday's meaningless ruble devaluation, Bank Rossii has undermined the Russian authorities' recent efforts to prevent capital flight,'' Renaissance analysts said. ``This has led speculators to expect further, similar mini-devaluation steps.''

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    can we blame Putin for what? world economic crysis???

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    can we blame Putin for what? world economic crysis???
    Who is in charge of the boneheaded managment of debt, interest rates, and exchange rates? Are they in position due to loyalty to Putin? That's all I meant by the Putin comment.

    Russia is the world's largest oil producer and they cannot seem to handle finance as well as the Arabs. This needs to be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Who is in charge of the boneheaded managment of debt, interest rates, and exchange rates?
    Putin doesnt have a slightest clue about finance and neither he is in charge of Russia's economy.

    furthermore, no matter what you do, it is absolutely impossible to shut down massive withdrawal of foreign capital out of Russia because of the current hysteria in world markets. Chinese seem to have similar problems btw. Russians did waste $80 billion as emergency aid package do the big banks to handle the credit crisis, but even that almost went unnoticed.

    just like that $700 billion US bailout - it is completely worthless. let the markets do what they gotta do and we all will get over it much faster.

    Are they in position due to loyalty to Putin? That's all I meant by the Putin comment.
    again, I have no clue what you just said. Russian companies are not owned by Putin. exchange rates are not handled by Putin either. central bank's interest rates reduction can not possibly compensate for a massive withdrawal from Russian markets by foreign investors.

    Russia is the world's largest oil producer and they cannot seem to handle finance as well as the Arabs. This needs to be changed.
    Arabs get affected by lower world oil prices just like Russia is (or even more so, because oil is all that the Arabs have). stop making up please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Arabs get affected by lower world oil prices just like Russia is (or even more so, because oil is all that the Arabs have). stop making up please.
    Making what up? He is trying to start a debate here.

    I lost a ton of money on the weakened rubel, which sort of amazed me, thinking that all the oil money ought to secure the russian currency.

    The move against Georgia and talk of sanctions didn´t help much either for the busisness climate in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneboy View Post
    Making what up? He is trying to start a debate here.
    unfortunately for him, there is no debate. US economy is in deep recession, so are many other economies around the world. even China (being an uber powerhouse that they are) had to reduce their GDP forecasts by few percents.

    oil prices went down big time because of economic slowdown in US, dropping demand and thus affecting all known oil exporters (which does include Russia).

    furthermore, US large investors began to pull money out of the most riskiest investments for consolidation, including most emerging markets (which do include Russia).

    the troubles in Russian economy have nothing to do with Putin and everything to do with the current world markets. do you blame Bush every time the DowJones drops by a 100 points or every time dollar depreciates against Euro?

    I lost a ton of money on the weakened rubel, which sort of amazed me, thinking that all the oil money ought to secure the russian currency.
    so you were trading roubles? smells like to me, to be honest. or you may be investing into oil/gas stocks, which does include Russian companies? I am not sure where you lost "ton of money", because as soon as the spring comes back, so will the world oil prices and so will your investments. cheaper stocks! buy them while they last.

    The move against Georgia and talk of sanctions didn´t help much either for the busisness climate in Russia.
    yes, entire 5 days of the conflict and all this anti-Russian hysteria for a couple weeks was exactly what brought Russian economy down . that being said, I am not sure I understand - are you sad or happy? because you have massively undervalued Russian stocks that are available to you for cheap. buy them now and you will thank me later.

    I have quite a large percentage of my 401k dedicated to Russia / emerging markets / BRIC, and so far I did not even move a muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Putin doesnt have a slightest clue about finance and neither he is in charge of Russia's economy.
    You would think the leader of a country would need at the least a basic understanding of finance. Would be quite bad if he made decisions he can't understand. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarDreamer View Post
    You would think the leader of a country would need at the least a basic understanding of finance. Would be quite bad if he made decisions he can't understand. =)
    Putin doesnt make economic decisions. thats why he has dozens of advisors on his side .
    just like Obama has no clue about the military stuff, yet he will be a commander in chief...

    2 CrabEast - do you understand the meaning of sarcasm? re-read my reply to Daneboy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    can we blame Putin for what? world economic crysis???
    WTF is a "Crysis?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    WTF is a "Crysis?"
    If you can't figure that one out, this is probably not the forum for you.

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    Actually, Russia's financial system is something to watch right now. They have underwent massive reforms since the 1998 crash and before this financial crisis, they really haven't been tested. It will be interesting to see if it works. Too early to say now, there are rumors of layoffs in America to happen in February, it is better to wait and see on this situation. I was talking to friends and family in Russia about it, they were telling me that the crisis is worrying, but for the most part they dont feel it...yet.

    As for gas prices, I dont understand there being such a drop in demand. This summer American gas prices were at around 4.00 per gallon on average. My friend was in Bristol, Virginia the other day and told me he got gas at 1.72. It's 2.38 where I live in Arlington, Virginia. I think Americans will be encouraged to drive again (if they still have their jobs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    As for gas prices, I dont understand there being such a drop in demand.
    easy. it is Winter season and it is recession. people travel and drive less. businesses shrink and downsize as well. economy slows down as a result.

    the economy goes down, and so is the demand for oil. it might not sound like much if you think about, but given the large numbers of consumers and businesses in US, it all adds up quite fast. the demand goes down, so the world oil prices should go down as well, in order to match supply/demand requirements.

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    Can`t blame Putin for a global problem.

    If any one nation is to be blamed it is probebly the US and Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    WTF is a "Crysis?"
    I'll answer that; Its a bastardisation of the English word "Crisis", caused by games companies that try to be clever by naming their games using corrupted spelling.



    And yeah, clearly its all Putin's fault. Bring back the Commies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    WTF is a "Crysis?"
    a computer game!

    Quote Originally Posted by CarbEast View Post
    Do you?

    Actually my post was intended in support of your point.
    lol. nice one czar....

    sounds like theres quite an epic problem going on over there in russia - wasnt exactly the most stable of economies in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    sounds like theres quite an epic problem going on over there in russia - wasnt exactly the most stable of economies in the first place.
    and I assume British economy is in the best state it has ever been ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    and I assume British economy is in the best state it has ever been ?
    why is it always rubbish counters like this, did i say anything about britain having a kick ass economy pwning the rest of the world? U must completely ignore all the times i over the double B government?

    however, that being said, despite not having an economy that is the envy of the world these days, its a tad more stable than russia's recent history in economics...

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    Default Re: Russian Ruble Under Attack -- drained more than 20 percent of its currency reserves

    does this mean oil is cheaper now?

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    I dont think Bush is to blame either. it is really economic policies / environment that lead to 1996-2006 US housing bubble.

    Bush is merely the president that happens to be present during the time of the collapse. the real ticking bomb was set up years ago.

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    What I was going at .Czar was that I think the drop in price did not correspond with the drop in demand. I thought the prices dropped too much. Again, we will see what happens in Spring, maybe they will go up back to four dollars. Its these damn speculators, overpricing and over-reducing.

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