Best way to form italy

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

Hi, i would like to form italy and make a lot of colonies.. but i have a problem since i can't decide which nation it's best to start, can you suggest me the best faction to do that?
(EU3:in nomine 3.1)
Thanks!

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I can't say from experience, but Naples looks like it is in the best position.

[hellheaven1987]

Can Naples form Italy??

I probably suggest Venice... But again, one step wrong even Venice would not survive...

Or, if you like more long term game, you can try Genoa or Savoy.

[John I Tzimisces]

italian_nation = {
potential = {
NOT = { exists = ITA }
NOT = { tag = PAP }
culture_group = latin
}
allow =
{
owns = 116 # Firenze
owns = 117 # Siena
owns = 118 # Roma
owns = 119 # Ancona
is_core = 116 # Firenze
is_core = 117 # Siena
is_core = 118 # Roma
is_core = 119 # Ancona
war = no
}
effect = {
ITA = {
add_core = 101 # Liguria
add_core = 103 # Piedmont
add_core = 104 # Lombardia
add_core = 105 # Parma
add_core = 106 # Modena
add_core = 107 # Brescia
add_core = 108 # Verona
add_core = 109 # Mantua
add_core = 111 # Friuli
add_core = 112 # Venezia
add_core = 113 # Ferrara
add_core = 114 # Romagna
add_core = 115 # Pisa
add_core = 116 # Firenze
add_core = 117 # Siena
add_core = 118 # Roma
add_core = 119 # Ancona
add_core = 130 # Istria
add_core = 1774 # Treviso
}
centralization_decentralization = -2
missionaries = 1
random_owned = {
limit = { culture_group = latin }
base_tax = 1
}
prestige = 0.05
change_tag = ITA
ITA = {
capital = 118
}
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
}

}

What does this mean exactly?

You must own and have a core on Rome, Ancona, Siena, and Firenze. You must not already be Italy or the Papacy, and you must be in the "Latin" culture group which includes all the Italian nations including naples and sicily. You must not be at war. If a nation changes Tags during a war (becomes another nation) it messes up the engine and thus if you're ever making nation-making events you must make sure that the nation becoming another nation has the condition that it must not be at war to do so, at the least...

When you choose to do it you get cores on all the provinces listed under " effect = {
ITA = {", you move two toward centralization, you become Italy, you get a missionary, and one of your Italian culture provinces gains one base tax.

So yes. Naples can do it. I'm having great difficulty doing this in Magna Mundi and it looks like I won't be able to do any more than get a concordat with the pope over rome (IE I'll be able to keep it without being the hated enemy of Christendom.)

[Kanaric]

I wouldn't say naples is the best necessarily.

The main problem that they would have would be to take northern italy. The HRE leader would defend any invasions and by the time you get to that point that leader may be very powerful.... like possibly Austria or France. IF the provinces you need are not conquered by someone who is in the empire, like Milan for example, then you might be save. I forget if Florence is is in HRE.

I've done this with Venice and Milan in the past, both were easy.

[Ishoss]

Also if you're in the North, you can be the Emperor. Always a nice boost!

[Kanaric]

Also if you're in the North, you can be the Emperor. Always a nice boost!

Forgot about the most obvious advantage.

[Ishoss]

Forgot about the most obvious advantage.

Uni's? Besides that (and Genoa/Venice) I can only think of the danger of Austria and France raping you.

[John I Tzimisces]

I wouldn't say naples is the best necessarily.

The main problem that they would have would be to take northern italy. The HRE leader would defend any invasions and by the time you get to that point that leader may be very powerful.... like possibly Austria or France. IF the provinces you need are not conquered by someone who is in the empire, like Milan for example, then you might be save. I forget if Florence is is in HRE.

I've done this with Venice and Milan in the past, both were easy.

Everything north of Romagna, Rome, and Urbino are in the HRE.

Hence in Magna Mundi it's ridiculously hard to form Italy short of getting personal unions with everyone and fabricating claims so you don't get sanctioned by the empire. The closest I've come is by playing Venice, switching to a monarchy, and inheriting Naples very early on in PU.

It's ing impossible to get anything of Northern Italy short of getting PU's on those states or just taking it by force, incurring the wrath of the empire...

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

Thanks for your replies! Finally I've choosen Milan.
It should be on of the easiest faction for my object but in 1546 I havent conquered italy yet The reasons are the frequently attacks by Naples (that became very powerful). In a recently war i completely beat them, thwy was about to collapse but then they got more powerful than before, so that the conquered the restant part of aquileia and all savoy, plus sardinia
I see a new war between me and naples. Another danger is the ottoman empire who declared war upon me a couple of time in the past.
Recently I've leaded a war against the pope, my object was to conquer Roma and finally form italy. I had Warscore of 100% and occupied all their territories (romagna and roma) but i couldn't annex them so i vassalized them and i'm waiting to diploannex them.But why I couldn't annex the pope?? (they didnt have any colonies). I have ferrara too vassalized from a lot of time but it seems they won't accept annexiation (as i tryied lot of times).
My economic is good: I have 5 stars on the loading page of the game, and earn about 54 neat every year Losing -2.5 every months. Inflation is about a couple of point but decreasing.
I have some colonies in central-south america and i'm not decided if colonize the caribbean( which is half colonized by portugal) or go for the south (there are some colonies of GB and castille (spain is not formed yet)).
Or maybe go for africa and then Australia? Hmmm
If you have suggestion please tell me!

[Lawrence of Arabia]

You couldn't annex the Papacy because he had more than one territory. What you should do is have them cede their non-capital province and wait for the next war. You can only annex countries that have only one province.

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

You couldn't annex the Papacy because he had more than one territory. What you should do is have them cede their non-capital province and wait for the next war. You can only annex countries that have only one province.

Well that's a good news, i've taken romagna and they only have Roma now. I shall wait the next war. Or should I diploannex them? (they're my vassal)
And another question: My colonies have all more than 1000 inhabitants, one of them 3900. But their income is very very little, 0.0 per month and annually is very little. What are the possible causes of this? Maybe my king has little administration?

[John I Tzimisces]

Well that's a good news, i've taken romagna and they only have Roma now. I shall wait the next war. Or should I diploannex them? (they're my vassal)
And another question: My colonies have all more than 1000 inhabitants, one of them 3900. But their income is very very little, 0.0 per month and annually is very little. What are the possible causes of this? Maybe my king has little administration?

Since you're probably playing In Nomine, the reason is you have have very few if any large or small sea-faring ships. As in, ships that aren't galleys or transports. You need to have a fleet so that you can theoretically protect your shipping lanes. You need one large or small sea-faring ship per colony to get the full income from your overseas provinces.

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

Since you're probably playing In Nomine, the reason is you have have very few if any large or small sea-faring ships. As in, ships that aren't galleys or transports. You need to have a fleet so that you can theoretically protect your shipping lanes. You need one large or small sea-faring ship per colony to get the full income from your overseas provinces.

+Rep(when i can). So the reason is jack sparrow&co. i will have a fleet to protect my trades from them
And another thing: to be emperor, should I have to make gift and "buy" the great elector? Thank you again

[John I Tzimisces]

+Rep(when i can). So the reason is jack sparrow&co. i will have a fleet to protect my trades from them
And another thing: to be emperor, should I have to make gift and "buy" the great elector? Thank you again

Yeah, the way to get electors to vote for you is to have good relations with the electors. If the electors are your vassals, then it's almost guaranteed they'll vote for you.

[Kanaric]

I would start a new game as an Italian nation right now if I wasn't going to be off the grid for the next 8 weeks. They are fun.

[Yoda Twin]

As Milan i controlled all of Italy except for Rome, had bureaucracy and right slider options yet after 50 years of waiting i didn't turn into Italy. I have Napoleon's Ambition and i looked a the file and it doesn't say you need Rome.

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

Could you give him a tiny colony in the middle of nowhere?

But it wouldnt be their capital, or am i wrong?

As Milan i controlled all of Italy except for Rome, had bureaucracy and right slider options yet after 50 years of waiting i didn't turn into Italy. I have Napoleon's Ambition and i looked a the file and it doesn't say you need Rome.

So do i need rome or not?

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

But it wouldnt be their capital, or am i wrong?

If you've taken all their territory and annexed them, first they shouldn't exist, and secondly, any territory you give them will be their capital, be it in Europe or Africa

[CAMPVS-CAESAR]

Wait
I loaded before the annexiation! So they still have only Roma.
But, If i annex them again, how can i give them a territory in africa or america while they doesnt exist anymore?? A popup windows will appear asking me to give them back roma, and all I can do is to give THAT province (roma), I cannot give them another province that i choose... Or am i wrong??