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    Sunday the 9th of November, marks the ninety year anniversary of remembrance of those soldiers who fell in the [size="5"]British[ Wars. The idea came in 1918 when on a battlefield where thousands of British soldiers fell, fields and fields of Poppy flowers grew. The day is now often known as "Poppy Day".

    Queen Elizabeth of Britain shall lay a reef of Poppies at the WWII memorial in London. Towns and Cities everywhere will do the same and shall have a minutes silence across the nation as well as in other countries.

    Despite this, I say that all German soldiers who fell should be remembered to. Being forced to fight. No matter what the circumstances.

    People from all over The British Empire died/were wounded in these terrible wars. English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Indian, Canadian, New Zealand, Faroe men fell in the wars, not just for their country but for us. Our freedom.

    Gone but never forgotten.


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    so did the welsh, scottish, irish, australians, indians, canadian, new zealanders and countless other people from around the empire. it wasnt just the english, dont you forget the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    so did the welsh, scottish, irish, australians, indians, canadian, new zealanders and countless other people from around the empire. it wasnt just the english, dont you forget the rest.
    Sorry about that LoZz. I was editing/finding the nations. Added now

    Thanks for reminding me.

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    For gods sake guy edit it to say British and Commonwealth. My great grandfather fell at the Somme fighting in the Scottish Cameron Highlanders Regiment not an English regiment!
    Sorry Macky. My reason above explains.

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    For gods sake Guy edit it to say British and Commonwealth. My great grandfather fell at the Somme fighting in the Scottish Cameron Highlanders Regiment not an English regiment!

    Other the other hand, we must never forget the 885,138 British soldiers who were killed and the 1,663,435 who were wounded from 1914 - 1918. Not to mention the millions of Commonwealth soldiers killed fighting for the Empire in a pointless war.

    Battle of the Somme, 1st July 1916. 60000 wouded and dead in the first day, many mown down my machine gun fire and artillary.
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    Respects to all the dead, they gave their all.

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    World War I touched many people... I for one lost a great Grandfather and a great Uncle... my great Uncle was killed after a battle by a german sniper while he was "relaxing" under a tree...

    (In an odd but not that rare coincience) I have had a family member fight in every single American war (save Korea) which technically wasnt a War...so I can still claim that...)

    But yes.. we should remember all those that have fallen on both sides of the War... Allies, and Central Powers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    Despite this, I say that all German soldiers who fell should be remembered to. Being forced to fight. No matter what the circumstances.
    We in Germany do have a sort of "Remembrance Day" as well, it's by tradition the second sunday before the first advent sunday, or short the sixth sunday before Christmas. It's called "Volkstrauertag" ("People's mourning day" or s.th. like that). But Remembrance day is not only about World War I, and not only about England, Britain, the Empire, the Commonwealth, or whatever. It's about all men that died in all wars of mankind's long and cruel history.
    And I think that every country in this world should have a day on which those, who gave their lives for their country - be it defending the freedom of the entire world, like the Allies in WWII did, or like the Germans did, first forced to fight for some lunatic trying to conquer the world, and later just trying to keep the enemy from destroying everything - should be remembered. If we forget those who died in all those many wars in history, then we forget the horrors mankind can unleash on itself, and we also forget what a precious treasure freedom is. I say remember those, who gave teheir lives in battle, and honor this memory, and maybe one day, no one will join them in the halls of the fallen warriors.
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    We in Germany do have a sort of "Remembrance Day" as well, it's by tradition the second sunday before the first advent sunday, or short the sixth sunday before Christmas. It's called "Volkstrauertag" ("People's mourning day" or s.th. like that). But Remembrance day is not only about World War I, and not only about England, Britain, the Empire, the Commonwealth, or whatever. It's about all men that died in all wars of mankind's long and cruel history.
    And I think that every country in this world should have a day on which those, who gave their lives for their country - be it defending the freedom of the entire world, like the Allies in WWII did, or like the Germans did, first forced to fight for some lunatic trying to conquer the world, and later just trying to keep the enemy from destroying everything - should be remembered. If we forget those who died in all those many wars in history, then we forget the horrors mankind can unleash on itself, and we also forget what a precious treasure freedom is. I say remember those, who gave teheir lives in battle, and honor this memory, and maybe one day, no one will join them in the halls of the fallen warriors.
    My Grandfather fought in the German SS. Not by choice, but by force.
    My other Grandfather fought for the English RAF.
    I have heard two sides of an amazing tale.

    Here's a war poem I found a while back;

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    to Saint Peter he will tell.
    "One more soldier reporting for duty sir,
    I've served my time in hell".
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    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly

    Scarce heard amid the guns below
    .
    We are the dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.
    I had a few relatives who had to fight for the U.K.

    A couple of great-great uncles and a few great uncles. Still buy poppies for them, yes. However, in my family, far more of our members fought in the streets of Dublin than the fields of France.

    Irregardless, respect the dead. They saw hell unleashed upon this earth.
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    Respects to the fallen, two of my great uncles fought for the British from the beginning of the war. One died at the Somme, the other survived and joined the Black and Tans... to both of them.
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    Owen's Anthem for Doomed Youth is a good poem for rembrance, better than The Soldier at least...

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    actually graf, rememberance sunday is about the british loss from the war, not the wider world.

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    Right, but should we argue about whose memory we honour? I say it should be about every dead soldier, from every country.




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    I think the Republic of Ireland should have some form of Rememberance Day, even just an hour. More Irishmen died in WWI than New Zealanders and even they have it!

    Not to sound like a pissing contest, "I LOST MORE MEN THAN YOU", but I think it's kind of disrespectful of our country to not do so.

    IIRC there isn't even a day to celebrate or commemorate our independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aarons got funky fresh View Post
    I think the Republic of Ireland should have some form of Rememberance Day, even just an hour. More Irishmen died in WWI that New Zealanders and even they have it!

    Not to sound like a pissing contest, "I LOST MORE MEN THAN YOU", but I think it's kind of disrespectful of our country to not do so.

    IIRC there isn't even a day to celebrate or commemorate our independence.
    Well, I'd assume they don't because most of them were fighting and dying for a country they despised. At least, that's what my grandpa used to tell me. And my other grandpa. And my great-uncle. And so on and so forth. I come from a crazy Mick family, so I just kinda go with what they say.

    I may be completely wrong however, so don't judge me too harsh now.
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    This week marks 90 years since the end of World War I, surely the last major anniversary for its handful of ageing veterans as what was dubbed the "War to End All Wars" slips from living memory into history.

    In reality, rather than mark an end to human conflict, the Great War merely set the tone for the 20th century's litany of brutality, although in terms of sheer mass killing on the battlefield it has rarely been equalled since.

    Many conflicts followed but November 11 -- the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, when the World War I armistice was signed -- has become the moment when the world remembers the dead from all of them.

    Tuesday's ceremonies will be solemn but in some countries a little less personal, as the last of the combat veterans from World War I pass on.

    Erich Kastner, the last of the German troops, died on January 1 this year, aged 107. The last French veteran, Italian-born legionnaire Lazare Ponticelli, survived him by only two months, dying on March 12 aged 110.

    Since the two faced each other across the Western Front -- indeed, since France and Germany fought each other again in World War II -- their countries have become allies at the heart of a united Europe.

    But, as France's minister for veterans' affairs Jean-Marie Bockel said last week: "Reconciliation is not forgetting. To forget would be the worst thing."

    "Now that the last veteran has gone, 90 years on we once more share a moment of awareness. This war is part of our collective memory, and he who does not know his past has no future," he said, inaugurating a memorial.

    There are three surviving members of the British forces that joined France, Russia and Italy in the battle against Germany and the other Central Powers.

    Henry Allingham is the oldest, having turned 112 in June. As a naval air service mechanic he served in the 1916 Battle of Jutland in the North Sea, before joining the new Royal Flying Corp at the Somme.

    Two years his junior, Harry Patch fought in the trenches opposite the Belgian town of Ypres in the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry, and the Royal Navy's 107-year-old Claude Choules served on board HMS Revenge.

    In 1917, after three years of bloody conflict, the United States entered the war with Britain and France, and brought with them ambulance driver Frank Buckles, now 107 and living in West Virginia.

    On Tuesday, France's President Nicolas Sarkozy, Britain's Prince Charles, the speaker of the German parliament Peter Muller and Australia's Governor General Quentin Bryce will hold a solemn ceremony of remembrance.

    They will meet at Fort Douaumont, epicentre of the 1916 Battle of Verdun, for speeches and prayers at the ossuary where lie the remains of 300,000 men cut down by machine-gun and artillery fire in 300 days and nights of hell.

    Afterwards, Sarkozy will visit the nearby German cemetery.

    In August 1914, many of the fresh-faced young volunteers who marched out of towns over much of Europe were confident, little suspecting what mayhem modern industrial weaponry would wreak on the battlefield.

    By Christmas, hundreds of thousands were dead, and fatality rates in the tens of thousands on a single day had already become commonplace.

    Guns had become highly efficient, and railways could bring fresh troops and equipment up to the killing fields as fast as they were destroyed.

    Despite these apparent advances, the war in the west rapidly became a horrific stalemate, set in a sea of mud, barbed wire and rat-infested trenches.

    Fighting on the Eastern Front, in the wide open spaces of Russia and Poland, was more mobile, but there too many battles caused astronomic casualties. There was also major combat at sea, and in the Middle East.

    In all, the First World War killed some 10 million military men and left 20 million injured, many of them disfigured by explosives or poison gas, or reduced to human wrecks by what became known as "shell shock."

    Among the major belligerents, Germany lost 1.9 million, Russia 1.7 million, France 1.4 million, the Austro-Hungarian empire a million and Britain 760,000.
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    I don't know... I always weep a bit when I saw all this WWI story...

    WWII might be far more destrutive than any war human ever fought before, but WWI is definately the most hellish war in 20th Century... Think about it, 300 thousands men gathered in a small town and tried to kill eachother... with every inch thirty life was gone...

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    Prince Charles is in France today for one of the ceremonies and our 3 surviving veterans are leading a march past the Cenotaph in London. And of course at 11.00 am we observe nationally our 2 minutes silence.

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    This is causing the usual controversy in Irish circles, with a book on the Irish role in the war and coverage on RTE*, the Irish Times etc being accused of 'revionism' by you-know-who types. Oh, the irony. Some seem to think Irish soldiers who served in British units shouldn't be remembered. Popular attitudes have changed a great deal over the years though; the Poppy is more widely accepted now and no longer a 'Bad British' symbol.

    Somewhat ironically, the you-know-whos appear to consider the Lisbon yes Voters and Irish who want to remember the war one in the same; 'West British'. :hmmm:

    *That's Irish State TV.

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    I always found WWI to be more interesting then WWII.
    The hell these men went through it probably nothing ever seen in history.
    They have my respect.

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