Obama bad for Canadians

[Dance the older]

http://news.aol.ca/article/us-envoy-...s-bush/411659/

I remember talking about this awhile back before Obama was even the Democratic Presidential Candidate... The time has finally come to begin worrying?

What do you Canadian Obama supporters think about this? You would rather help Americans out over your own countrymen?

[Gauvin]

That's right, I don't find Canadians are really that political savvy. Canadian economy prospered under Bush-backed NAFTA, the one Obama wants to re-negotiate.

[Dance the older]

That's right, I don't find Canadians are really that political savvy. Canadian economy prospered under Bush-backed NAFTA, the one Obama wants to re-negotiate.

Well I'm absolutely astonished at the fact too see soooo mannnnny Obama supporters that I know in real life, when they dont realize whats actually happening to Canada lol, it's blatant ignorance, imo.

[Gauvin]

yeah, of course, if you want proof that Canadian support for Obama is based on ignorance, just ask them "Why do you support him?" ... They won't give you any example of something he's done, or said... just "I hate Bush, he's a nazi"

[Dance the older]

yeah, of course, if you want proof that Canadian support for Obama is based on ignorance, just ask them "Why do you support him?" ... They won't give you any example of something he's done, or said... just "I hate Bush, he's a nazi"

That's absolutely true. I know many people that support him solely because of colour of his skin, not to mention everyone else here have submitted before American propaganda that Bush is the "anti-christ" yet Bush helped out Canadians with NAFTA for one. I understand Obama's reasoning for trying to provide for his own nation, but too see all these Canadians that THINK of themselves as Canadians whom don't go beyond what CNN says about "how good Obama is for America". Yeah, kudos too you, he's "good for America", nowhere in there does it say he's good for Canada. I just don't understand the flawed logic of these supporters in Canada that support him solely for "well Bush is... uh... a... bad... president?"

I can't see Obama's Democrats agreeing with Harper's Conservatives.

[DisgruntledGoat]

yet Bush helped out Canadians with NAFTA for one..

Hold on here. Bush did nothing for Canada on NAFTA. In fact he caused numerous trade issues. With our beef and our soft wood lumber. Ya he helped out A TON. Yeesh.

PS Peoples generalizations and complete lack of knowledge regarding Canada in this thread is sad.

[Каие]

Canadian economy prospered under Bush-backed NAFTA, the one Obama wants to re-negotiate.

You're almost in a recession.

[Joker85]

The useful idiots wanted change. Now they are going to get it. Good and hard. The first change will be to NAFTA with unfavorable terms shoved down their throat. Yep, the looters world wide are celebrating. But it will be short lived. Watching his "I um, uh, umm, uh" press conference today I got an awful feeling that not only are we dealing with a dangerously naive socialist, but we are dealing with one that is not too bright.

I got a feeling this is his "what now" moment. Sure running for President was fun, flying around the country giving speeches, being fawned over by the press. Now he actually has to govern. Watching him fumble around the questions at his presser it is becoming frighteningly obvious that this man is painfully unprepared.

BUT HEY AT LEAST THEY ARE THE ONES THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR AND HAVE CHANGE THAT WE NEED

An American idol candidate for an American idol nation. How fitting.

[DisgruntledGoat]

NAFTA isn't going to be an issue, particularly if Obama is keen on maintaining the Afghan mission. If Obama wants to open NAFTA he can say goodbye to Canadian support in Afghanistan. Not to mention the close economic ties with Canada, NAFTA isn't gonna be something that will be negotiated at ALL.

There is alot Obama will be able to do for Canada. Particularly for our fairly green-friendly parties. A north american negotiated environment plan is definitely going to be something Ottawa is pushing for. Canada prospered under Clinton. It will likely prosper under Obama.

yeah, of course, if you want proof that Canadian support for Obama is based on ignorance, just ask them "Why do you support him?" ... They won't give you any example of something he's done, or said... just "I hate Bush, he's a nazi"

Mmmmm, generalizations are yummy. Obama is a charismatic leader, and his beliefs fit in well with Canadian social and economic beliefs. An America which more closely mirrors Canada is something Canadians would prefer. Obama is a step in that direction. Not to mention he's the kind of leader EVERY country leans towards. Its the same in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world. SUrely you don't mean to suggest the entire world is ignorant in their admiration for Obama.

[Joker85]

NAFTA isn't going to be an issue, particularly if Obama is keen on maintaining the Afghan mission. If Obama wants to open NAFTA he can say goodbye to Canadian support in Afghanistan. Not to mention the close economic ties with Canada, NAFTA isn't gonna be something that will be negotiated at ALL.

There is alot Obama will be able to do for Canada. Particularly for our fairly green-friendly parties. A north american negotiated environment plan is definitely going to be something Ottawa is pushing for. Canada prospered under Clinton. It will likely prosper under Obama.

Canada is leaving Afghanistan when their mission expires I believe in 2011. They have no leverage on this issue. With the drawdown of troops in Iraq he will be able to replace in the short term any Canadians that leave.

He made many promises to the people that elected them. He is already going to be a massive disappointment as the vast majority of them simply can not be kept. Could this be yet another one of them? Perhaps. Remains to be seen. The fact is there is a sizable segment of his voting bloc that will be demanding it, and when it comes down to it, he owes a lot more to them than Canada.

But don't worry, you'll get a nice speech and a pleasant smile to make you feel better when he's giving you your change good and hard.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Canada is leaving Afghanistan when their mission expires I believe in 2011. They have no leverage on this issue. With the drawdown of troops in Iraq he will be able to replace in the short term any Canadians that leave.

He made many promises to the people that elected them. He is already going to be a massive disappointment as the vast majority of them simply can not be kept. Could this be yet another one of them? Perhaps. Remains to be seen. The fact is there is a sizable segment of his voting bloc that will be demanding it, and when it comes down to it, he owes a lot more to them than Canada.

But don't worry, you'll get a nice speech and a pleasant smile to make you feel better when he's giving you your change good and hard.

So your saying that Obama, will sweep aside Canadian support in a NATO mission, drop NAFTA and destroy relations with the US' strongest trading partner and closets ally for an election promise. Something tells me your just looking for ways to erode support for Obama...

Continued support for the Afghan mission beyond 2011 will be an excellent bargaining chip in any negotiation. I doubt it will be used for NAFTA (it would be insane for him to try and open up that can of worms), but it will likely be used somewhere else.

[Dance the older]

So your saying that Obama, will sweep aside Canadian support in a NATO mission, drop NAFTA and destroy relations with the US' strongest trading partner and closets ally for an election promise. Something tells me your just looking for ways to erode support for Obama...

I believe Canadians should first and overall support their own Country before supporting another. If someone is openly and willing, even if just a little to harm Canada, as dropping NAFTA would do, possibly in a greater threat, that's not a good thing to support if you are indeed Canadian.

[Joker85]

So your saying that Obama, will sweep aside Canadian support in a NATO mission, drop NAFTA and destroy relations with the US' strongest trading partner and closets ally for an election promise. Something tells me your just looking for ways to erode support for Obama...

Why do I have to "look for a way to erode his support" He made promises. Many. Many promises. He will either keep them and keep his herd of sheep in the US happy, or break them and keep his international cultists happy. He can't choose both.

I'm not the one that told him to try and be all things to all people and make promises he could not or would not keep.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Why do I have to "look for a way to erode his support" He made promises. Many. Many promises. He will either keep them and keep his herd of sheep in the US happy, or break them and keep his international cultists happy. He can't choose both.

I'm not the one that told him to try and be all things to all people and make promises he could not or would not keep.

There is more than just those two options. Its called compromise. Not to mention every politician makes campaign promises. I wonder how many Bush and Clinton made and never kept. Again, Americans would be delusional to think Obama will be able to drop NAFTA, not to mention when he made the original promise on nafta it was regarding jobs and job security and had nothing to do with the meat of NAFTA.

cf - you clearly don't know anything about Obama's policies if you think he doesn't care about Afghanistan and emission caps etc.

[cfmonkey45]

NAFTA isn't going to be an issue, particularly if Obama is keen on maintaining the Afghan mission. If Obama wants to open NAFTA he can say goodbye to Canadian support in Afghanistan. Not to mention the close economic ties with Canada, NAFTA isn't gonna be something that will be negotiated at ALL.

Lol. I don't think he cares about Afghanistan, namely because he's anti-war, or at least has made numerous references to being so. He did say something about Pakistan, and if it were harboring Osama Bin Laden.

There is alot Obama will be able to do for Canada. Particularly for our fairly green-friendly parties. A north american negotiated environment plan is definitely going to be something Ottawa is pushing for. Canada prospered under Clinton. It will likely prosper under Obama.

Didn't he say something along the lines of "I don't care about eco-friendly policies. If I change the lights in my house, it won't f---ing stop global warming." Paraphrasing of course. Perhaps some one could back me up with the article?

Oh, and as for Clinton, makes me laugh. Presidents actually have little to nil direct influence on the economy. The American, and now probably the world, goes through economic booms and depressions every ten years or so, so don't thank the Democrats because the Sun is shinning.

Mmmmm, generalizations are yummy. Obama is a charismatic leader, and his beliefs fit in well with Canadian social and economic beliefs. An America which more closely mirrors Canada is something Canadians would prefer. Obama is a step in that direction. Not to mention he's the kind of leader EVERY country leans towards. Its the same in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world. SUrely you don't mean to suggest the entire world is ignorant in their admiration for Obama.

Popularity contest. Nixon was extremely popular until Watergate broke. Reagan was popular, even though he technically didn't do anything that constructive. Kennedy was, and still is extremely popular, even though his policies of "upping" American military "advisors" in Vietnam led to a prolonged conflict under his successor. FDR was really popular, even though most of his economic policies actually prolonged the Great Depression (see the graph of Bank Failures and compare them to the years in which "ground-breaking" New Deal plans were implemented... prepping for WWII was actually the only thing that got us out of the Great Depression).

[Gauvin]

Mmmmm, generalizations are yummy.

I did say "ask", don't take my word for it, I did say to test it yourself, i'm confident you'll find that I was correct

[Mithie]

Oh God. The man isn't in office yet and already you people are railing on him.

Have the common decency to save your venom until he ACTUALLY BECOMES the president - and save yourself some embarrassment in the mean time, thank you very much.

[Dance the older]

Oh God. The man isn't in office yet and already you people are railing on him.

Have the common decency to save your venom until he ACTUALLY BECOMES the president - and save yourself some embarrassment in the mean time, thank you very much.

Better to discuss it now then later. If it happens, we'll know we were right.. If not, well.. Good, it didn't happen and we can drop it. But I saw this coming and now there's news articles about it. He'll be in office in what, less then 3 months? I would like to begin worrying, I have some family that relies on NAFTA, thanks.

I believe he will follow up on providing for Americans as he said he would (at the sacrifice of Canadians, why not?) They didn't vote him in right? It's not part of his Country? Why must he appease Canadians, right? If you don't think he will sacrifice Canadians for Americans, your wrong.

[Joker85]

Oh God. The man isn't in office yet and already you people are railing on him.

Have the common decency to save your venom until he ACTUALLY BECOMES the president - and save yourself some embarrassment in the mean time, thank you very much.

Yes, the truth of his promises and their outcomes will now be "venom" and pretty soon "racism'.

You can only play that game for so long. The Democrats have complete control of the government. The time for excuses and backtracking will soon be at an end. When the messiah falls on his face, you better have a better explanation than "THATS NOT FAIR ItS VENOM@!!!"

Of course, you will try to blame George Bush for the next 20 years, but Hussein did run on a platform of "I'll screw everything up thats not broke and not fix what is and then blame it on Bush" He stated he would "heal the oceans and the earth"

Do it. We will be waiting on inaguration day with our hat in hand waiting for our handouts.

As one of his supporters recently said "I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage or putting gas in my car, if I help him he will help me".

I want my check.

[danzig]

Oh God. The man isn't in office yet and already you people are railing on him.

Have the common decency to save your venom until he ACTUALLY BECOMES the president - and save yourself some embarrassment in the mean time, thank you very much.

Come with the territory besides people are already praising him (Antigua is proposing renaming a mountain after him) before he has taken office so you think its going to be one way?