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    MOSCOW – Russia's constitution will be amended by year's end to extend the presidential term to six years, lawmakers promised Thursday — a move that could pave the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin.
    It would be the first change to the Russian constitution since its adoption in 1993. A six-year term could mean 12 more years as president for Putin — the current prime minister — who has not ruled out getting his old job back.
    President Dmitry Medvedev, a Putin protege, had suggested raising the term from four years to six Wednesday in his first state of the nation address.
    The respected business daily Vedomosti quoted an unnamed Kremlin official as saying Medvedev may even step down as early as next year to get Putin back at the helm.
    "Under this scenario, Medvedev could resign early, citing changes to the constitution, and then presidential elections could take place in 2009," the paper said.
    Spokesmen for Putin and Medvedev could not be reached Thursday. Vedomosti reported that Putin's spokesman denied that the term extension was designed was linked to Putin's return.
    Work on the amendments has already begun in the State Duma, parliament's lower house, speaker Boris Gryzlov said Thursday.
    As Russia's president for eight years, Putin had declined to amend the constitution to allow himself a third consecutive term or to extend the length of his term. Vedomosti said this unpopular task may have been given to Medvedev, a former law professor who professes deep respect for the law.
    Regardless of his title, Putin has continued to wield significant power in Russia since leaving the Kremlin in May.
    A constitutional amendment would require a two-thirds majority in the State Duma, the lower house, where pro-Kremlin parties dominate. It would then need to be approved by two-thirds of Russia's regional legislatures, which also would not be expected to pose any difficulties for the Kremlin.
    While supporters in parliament said there was nothing undemocratic about a six-year presidential term, opposition leader Boris Nemtsov called the plan "extremely dangerous."
    "It is directed at the perpetuation of Putinism," Nemtsov said at a news conference, defining Putinism as "corruption, inflation and international isolation."
    Former chess champion Garry Kasparov, a prominent anti-Kremlin activist, said the move was a sign the Kremlin was afraid of Russia's increasingly emboldened opposition movement.
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    Living in interesting times aren't we? So Medvedev was just a stooge to get this amendment out there and take the fall while Putin hops back on in 09? Hmm..Sounds a little fishy to me.
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    Remember how people were claiming Putin would try and stay in office for life and the Russians were calling us crazy?
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    First off if anyone thinks Putin isnt the one really in charge as it is.... you are pretty naive....

    I say lets all gather our trickets for the Coronation of Czar Putin... His Coronation gift to himself... all of Eastern Europe....

    And if we look at Obama reaction to the Russo-Georgian Crises...were not gonna do much to stop it....
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    Look guys, Russians wanting Putin to stay in power for a longer period of time, is the same as americans wanting to reverse certain laws, to allow Arnold to run for the presidency and etc.

    If a president is popular ( despite what those 'liberal' media like to say, Putin IS popular) and is able to manage the country well, we should let them stay.

    After all, one pillar of democracy is giving in to the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray243 View Post
    Look guys, Russians wanting Putin to stay in power for a longer period of time, is the same as americans wanting to reverse certain laws, to allow Arnold to run for the presidency and etc.
    One politician proposed that constitutional amendment in a media interview. That's about as far as it went. That's a far cry from being on the verge of passing its vote.

    After all, one pillar of democracy is giving in to the majority.
    That is the pillar of populism, which is not always the same as democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray243 View Post
    Look guys, Russians wanting Putin to stay in power for a longer period of time, is the same as americans wanting to reverse certain laws, to allow Arnold to run for the presidency and etc.
    And how in earth giving non-American by birth right to run for the presidency same as allowing Putin to hold the strings as long as possible? It's like comparing an apple to a bottle of water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray243 View Post
    If a president is popular ( despite what those 'liberal' media like to say, Putin IS popular) and is able to manage the country well, we should let them stay.

    After all, one pillar of democracy is giving in to the majority.
    So how long should he remain in power? And what after him? :hmmm:

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    I'm shocked. Putin may return as President?

    Maybe this is the crisis Joe Biden was referring to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer View Post
    I'm shocked. Putin may return as President?

    Maybe this is the crisis Joe Biden was referring to ...
    Ah yes. After all, when any state does not follow the same election rules as the US it is a dictatorship. Only by american standards would a constitutional modification be regarded as a crisis. Nevermind, that there is a constitution in Russia. Nevermind that the modification is being debated in a democratically elected body. It's all a plot by Putin I tell you.

    You know what the problem of the so-called free world is? That Russia is now playing by the same rules and that it has an extremely capable man at its helm. Europe and the US had it good and easy for two decades. No one likes being called out on his BS and his actions challenged. Russia will not roll over and play dead anymore.

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    Noone expects russia to fall over and play dead, they simply need to learn that their neighbours are completely free to decide for themselves, and they have no right to dictate to them what to do.

    No matter what they think of former communist states joining NATO or the EU, or building "missile shields" (no matter how useful or useless), they have absolutely no right of stopping them.
    Sadly, thats exactly what russian foreing policy has consisted of for the last few years, trying to bring as many eastern and central european states as possible "back into line".
    Not to mention the at least questionable situation concerning freedom of press and other freedoms in russia.

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    There is no (and haven't ever been) any law in Russia that restricts a person to serve more than two terms as president. But there is a law that limits a person to no more than two terms in succession. This means that Putin *already* have right to run for presidency on next elections.

    Saying that suggested amendments are "a move that could pave the way for Vladimir Putin's return to the Kremlin" is either idiotic or sensationalist, simply because there were no obstacles for Putin to return to the Kremlin in first place.

    Oh well, just another example of professionalism and integrity of US press...


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    I'm shocked. Putin may return as President?
    Just like I'm shocked winter coming after autumn this year. Who could predict this?

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    YES! ! !

    Bring back Putin, the man that made Russia from what it was in the Yeltsin-era to a prominent power and finally a superpower!

    We need a powerful Russia to balance out USA's power and give another pole of influence without the anxiety of a cold war. Putin is the man that can strike the balance, keeping cordial (or even somewhat cold) relations with USA without severing relations.

    At last when USA says "No, we're not leaving Iraq because there's still oil and our multinational companies make billions out of reconstruction of the damage that the civil war caused. So we don't think you're ready to handle the situation yourselves." there will be someone with the backbone and the power to say "No USA, back off Iraq ASAP!"

    While most of Americans deny it, Putin helped Russia very much. Personally, as a Greek I would love to see him back in power, not just the person behind the president, but as the President of Russia.
    That would speed the USA out of the Balkans.
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    I give Putin credit for office. I do not think that Russia is so lacking in talanted leadership that the rules need be changed to give post back to him. Putin can be productive and valued to Russia without the changes. It is the decision of the Russians though. I am more personally concern about the four years that we have just given our own president-elect.

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    Putin is The Man, Americans are just jelous that they can have Man like him as their president but have to satisfy with men like McCain and that Antichrist guy.
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    LOL this is hilarious.

    Russian politics is a circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    LOL this is hilarious.

    Russian politics is a circus.
    Yes it is when a highly popular and almost irreplaceble(comparing to other politicians we have for now) man can't stay in power because of constitutional restrictions. And need of substitution to satisfy people's will to see him in power.
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    Exactly, some people here will never be happy unless Russia returns to the state it was in in the 1990s.

    Wait, I bet they don't even know that russians are having a hard time in the 90s.

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    today he will be president for 6 years, the following day he will stop with elections, last day, he will get a new hat

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    This is precisely what everyone predicted. Russia's so-called "democracy" is the most flaccid sham imaginable. Congratulations, Russia, on embracing rule by one-man once again - Stalin is the master of Russia's soul still. You have gathered all the threads of power into the hands of tyranny. His plans for glory are proceeding precisely on schedule.

    What happened to Georgia is just the beginning. Putin had his Munich-moment, and the West choked, just as he knew they would. His personality-cult is swelling, his new and improved army will be ready by 2015, and he will then be ready for the war of greatness he has been planning from the beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    What happened to Georgia is just the beginning. Putin had his Munich-moment, and the West choked, just as he knew they would. His personality-cult is swelling, his new and improved army will be ready by 2015, and he will then be ready for the war of greatness he has been planning from the beginning.


    I guess the Mongols are involved in this too, right? Helping him to plan how to take over the world.

    Now really, I think we're way ahead of ourselves. Putin IMO tries to help his country, not himself. That's why he's so popular.
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