Return of the Senators

[Farnan]

I may be a bit biased, but I believe that the rank of Senator should return to these here forums.

Anyone else agree and want to help me legalese this proposition?

[Simetrical]

I have to say I don't agree. I think it belongs better as a medal. Badges are kind of a pain: you can only have one, for instance, mostly.

[Farnan]

Well I don't like medals as a reward sorta, as they are not really noticeable...

Plus when I went to the thrift store near my house they wouldn't give me any money for my gold mace. I thought I'd make a fortune.

[J@mes]

Well I don't like medals as a reward sorta, as they are not really noticeable...

Plus when I went to the thrift store near my house they wouldn't give me any money for my gold mace. I thought I'd make a fortune.

I would support if it where really necessary to bring it back (Senators where around before my time), and a badge does give a better degree of noticeably to top this medals don't actually show if the position is being held or not.

[Captain Blackadder]

I agree that it should return at the very least so that we can see who can patronise and run for office. What form its return takes is something else I don't mind it as a badge or a medal.

[pannonian]

I agree that it should return at the very least so that we can see who can patronise and run for office. What form its return takes is something else I don't mind it as a badge or a medal.

Can the curator produce a list of citizens and their citizenship dates? If he needs assistants for this, he can ask the Curia for permission to give them CdeC access.

[Soulghast]

Can the curator produce a list of citizens and their citizenship dates? If he needs assistants for this, he can ask the Curia for permission to give them CdeC access.

I don't see how this has anything to do with the proposal, but there is already a list.

[Soulghast]

I would support the reinstating of the Senatorii rank.

As for drafting a bill, I think that using the old Syntagma text for Senatorii, would suffice, with some minor changes perhaps.

I agree that it should return at the very least so that we can see who can patronise and run for office. What form its return takes is something else I don't mind it as a badge or a medal.

I don't really get that. I would not support the Senatorii to have any additional privileges than citizens. As it is now, any citizen who has held his rank for more than 3 months can patronise, and run for any Curial office.

EDIT: After a quick search in the Tabularium, I found the bill that removed the Senators, and it was laid out like this:

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Section 1 Article 5 - Former Staff Officers Staff Awards

Upon retirement or resignation from an Officer position, all Moderators are awarded the honorary rank of Senatorii. All other Council Officers and Staff Officers are awarded the honorary rank of Officer Emeritus. These ranks are awarded automatically if time served as a Senior Moderator equals or exceeds 12 weeks. If the period in office is less than 12 weeks, these ranks can be awarded if The Council unanimously agrees. They are considered the same as honorary ranks awarded under Section 3.

All Moderators, Council Officers and Staff Officers are awarded a medal appropriate to the branch they have served in, in accordance with Section 5 of this document, if time served as an officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks.

The awarding of these ranks and medals is honorary and accords no additional rights or privileges except with regard to Senatorii as detailed in Section 4. These ranks are earned by retiring Staff Officers for their service and may not be removed by the Curia.

The awarding of these ranks and awards to Staff Officers who are removed from their position following a vote of No Confidence, or are otherwise fired is at the discretion of the Council provided the 12 week service provision is also met.

The existing Article 5, Section 1:

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Article 5 - Staff Awards

All Moderators, Council Officers and Staff Officers are awarded a medal appropriate to the branch they have served in, in accordance with Section 5 of this document, if time served as an officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks.

The awarding of these medals is honorary and accords no additional rights or privileges. They are the gift of the Council to retiring Staff Officers and may not be removed by the Curia.

The awarding of these ranks and awards to Staff Officers who are removed from their position following a vote of No Confidence, or are otherwise fired is at the discretion of the Council provided the 12 week service provision is also met.

So, a possible amendment could be this?

Section 1-Article 5 - Staff Awards - Honorary Ranks

Upon retirement or resignation from an Officer position, all Moderators, Council and Staff Officers who have served for more than 3 months are awarded the honorary rank of Senatorii.

All Moderators, Council Officers and Staff Officers are awarded a medal appropriate to the branch they have served in, in accordance with Section 5 of this document, if time served as an officer equals or exceeds 12 weeks.

The awarding of these medals is honorary and accords no additional rights or privileges. They are the gift of the Council to retiring Staff Officers and may not be removed by the Curia.

The awarding of these ranks and awards to Staff Officers who are removed from their position following a vote of No Confidence, or are otherwise fired is at the discretion of the Council provided the 12 week service provision is also met.

Yeah, in fact just bringing back some of the older text and removing some bits that are obsolete. I am not so sure If I have written it down correctly though, so please correct me if something is out of place.

Also, the rank will also have to be listed in Section 3, Article 1 of the Constitution:

Section 3
Article 1 - Ranks

Peregrinus

The Rank of Peregrinus is conferred automatically with registration to the TWC Forums. It confers posting rights in the General Fora. Any Peregrinus has the right to ask questions and suggest changes in the "Questions and Suggestions" Forum.

Citizens

Contributing members of TWC have the opportunity to become a Citizen of the Forum as per Article 2 below. Once a member becomes a Citizen, they can then choose between 3 different badges. Artifex, designed for those who are modders, Civitate, designed for those who have contributed to the debating side of the Site, whether in TW or CC, and Citizen, for those who associate with both.

Senatorii

Upon retirement or resignation from an Officer position, all Moderators, Council and Staff Officers who have served for more than 3 months are awarded the honorary rank of Senatorii. The Senatorii rank confers no advantage, save status. They hold the same privileges as the Citizens.

To qualify for Citizen, a member must have at least fifty posts, been a registered member for one month, and have no warnings within the last three months.

All Citizens have the rights associated with Peregrinus, but in addition may post within the Curia, subject to the procedures in Section 2; may post with the Symposium and may patronise other members as per Article 2

[Captain Blackadder]

I don't really get that. I would not support the Senatorii to have any additional privileges than citizens. As it is now, any citizen who has held his rank for more than 3 months can patronise, and run for any Curial office.

Just realised that I was confused on what it was. I mixed up senatorii and patricians my mistake now I look like a right fool.

[Squid]

Oppose. What's the point of the rank, it makes a distinction that isn't necessary. All staff members already receive a medal upon completion of the 12 week (3 month) period. So to know who is a "senator" all you need to do is look at whether or not the member has a staff medal.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Agree with SquidSK. I remember back when Senatorii and Patricians and what not were still maintained, but I also remember that upon seeing the rank when I ghosted the site as a guest, I did not distinguish it in any certain way from that of a Citizen. It wasn't until I read this area was that distinction made clear. Moderator Maces already serve this purpose, and are much more informative since you can see in a member's profile what it means by having one.

I might support a parallel rank of the Opifex-Phalera distinction which goes to commemorate exceptional work as a Staff Officer or in an area besides that of the CC/Modding Community(Administrative/Curial/Activity & Chat/etc.), but I see no point in the Senatorii rank as it was previously upheld.

[Simetrical]

Can the curator produce a list of citizens and their citizenship dates? If he needs assistants for this, he can ask the Curia for permission to give them CdeC access.

Under the current Constitution, it's not necessary for the Curator to ask permission. He's free to delegate his responsibilities to any willing Citizen.

[Legio]

I might support a parallel rank of the Opifex-Phalera distinction which goes to commemorate exceptional work as a Staff Officer or in an area besides that of the CC/Modding Community(Administrative/Curial/Activity & Chat/etc.), but I see no point in the Senatorii rank as it was previously upheld.

I would support that as well.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I could support this. I like the idea, even though it seems unfair and selfish of me of me to support this while I am a staff member.

I wasn't sure why they got rid of this in the first place.

[Father Jack]

Oppose. Nice idea but I fail to see the point. I believe the old Senatorii rank caused some friction between Citizens and Senatorii?

[pannonian]

The senatorii rank was duplicated by the moderator's mace which served the same function. The mace fitted the medals system better than the senatorii rank, so the senatorii rank went, and the moderator's mace stayed.

[Hotspur]

The CdeC and Curator don't have a medal.....

[Dayman]

The CdeC and Curator don't have a medal.....

Aye!

A medal for elected Curia positions!

[Harry Lime]

Well if there's any Curator who deserves an award it's Hotspur.

I'm opposed to this Senator thing though, as it's already been said the mace serves the purpose already.

I would probably support an award for CdeC/Curatorship and why not Judges as well? But it should be along the same lines as the Mace system..bronze for 3 months service...silver for 6...gold for 12 etc. Not that I think it's that important to the relevant instituations but it would be a small reward for those concerned who have contributed with their voluntary service.

[pannonian]

Well if there's any Curator who deserves an award it's Hotspur.

I'm opposed to this Senator thing though, as it's already been said the mace serves the purpose already.

I would probably support an award for CdeC/Curatorship and why not Judges as well? But it should be along the same lines as the Mace system..bronze for 3 months service...silver for 6...gold for 12 etc. Not that I think it's that important to the relevant instituations but it would be a small reward for those concerned who have contributed with their voluntary service.

Curators and the modding registrar deserve an award, but not the others, which don't involve enough work to merit a medal.