Are THE BIG BRO'S on the watch?

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

Recent closing of the "Obama assassination" thread - where one of the reasons was "the DHS may give the TWC trouble about it" - raises the question:

Are the secret services of our respective countries watching us?

I'm from Serbia *cordially waits for the applause to end * where a few months ago a law similar to Patriot Act was brought, that enables the Serbian police and BIA (Serbian intelligence) to request the search history of any internet user in the country without court order - it was eventually halted in the parliament, but let's face it, even a relatively small secret service like Serbian is, surely has the means to hack in wherever they want without asking anybody for permission....

So, my guess is, a crop of rookies are arriving in the HQ of, let's say BND's Department 2 - they are still green for any significant asignment so the bulk of them is due to spend at least a year doing meaningless crap....

Is it that hard to imagine a guy with a Bizmark mustaches holding a briefing to one group of these rookies
: "Ok rookies, here's the list of some popular websites with lots of naionalist fanatics and all sorts of other extremists, here's a box of donuts and a coofe machine - and don't call me unless someone threatens to gangrape Angela Merkel or blow up the Reichs... ehm, the Bundestag again!!"

Is it now?

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Ha ha I actually don't expect my Secret Service to be THAT competent.

[Farnan]

Ha ha I actually don't expect my Secret Service to be THAT competent.

US Secret Service isn't that secret. It is sort of an outdated name, taken back when they were to track counterfeiters (which they do, but its no longer their primary job).

[bigfootedfred]

such laws have been coming in everywhere. all over the world.
it will continue and get worse.

the fact the mods here apparently cower in fear at all seeing eyes of agents reading what we say and scrutinizing our words.

is nothing more than simply how things are now.
How did we get to this point?

Cowardice and fear that has been instilled into us by our 'leaders'

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

such laws have been coming in everywhere. all over the world.
it will continue and get worse.

That's obvious, even from reading the press - but my point is: they don't even need any laws as it is....

So, you're saying that EvM and other mods are right when they fear the DHS? We are being watched?

Or, let's take it even further - is it possible that some of the members here are some of those rookies from my short BND story?

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

If you're referring to the BND, they're actually quite diligent, the word on the streets of Belgrade is that their activities here are much more effective than the big 3 (CIA, KGB and MI6) - some even suspect that they were the ones to stir up the March 17th 2004 Albanian violence against the Serbs in Kosovo...

[Sidmen]

the fact the mods here apparently cower in fear at all seeing eyes of agents reading what we say and scrutinizing our words.

Talking about assassinating the president, or president-elect is illegal IIRC. The site admins and mods have enforced a "No talking about illegal things" rule for quite some time. Just look at all the Piracy threads around here.


@ the OP.
I kinda doubt that the CIA/FBI/SS/DoD/KGB/DHLS or whoever controls these things in the USA actually bothers reading websites like TWC. They're too busy listening to international phonecalls.

[bigfootedfred]

Talking about assassinating the president, or president-elect is illegal IIRC. The site admins and mods have enforced a "No talking about illegal things" rule for quite some time. Just look at all the Piracy threads around here.

should a piece of filth like bush ever come near me, so ing be it.

the original thread however, which i did not post in was
"What if"

so are you saying simply discussing what might happen in this event is illegal?

not in my bloody country it isn't. not yet.

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

i don't recall anyone making a threat to kill the president. the thread was
"What if"

so are you saying simply discussing what might happen in this event is illegal?

not in my bloody country it isn't. not yet.

Well yeah, there was indeed the "what if" in the threads title, but some of the mods did mention that the possibility of "getting in trouble with Homeland Security" was one of the reasons, a minor one they say, for closing the thread...

So even the sanest, most rational part of the TWC community allows it as a possibility that some poor rookie is out there - drowning in this mudpit and cursing the day he applied for the job that he thought would be all about drinking shaken-not-stirred martinis and banging supermodel chicks every night

[Sidmen]

US Law

not in my bloody country it isn't. not yet.

The site uses US law IIRC.

[bigfootedfred]

US Law


The site uses US law IIRC.

so are you saying simply discussing what might happen in this event is illegal?

you might want to review your laws in that case.

when discussion of possible event is barred and illegal...

[GuineaPig]

What are the big bros?

Are they the Secret Service guys who instead of dressing up in suits, dress up in Abercrombie & Fitch polos with popped collars?

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

What are the big bros?

Are they the Secret Service guys who instead of dressing up in suits, dress up in Abercrombie & Fitch polos with popped collars?

.... I was going for short of Big Brothers ... but I can imagine that's how a guy behind a computer somewhere in DHS is dressing for work.....

[Farnan]

you might want to review your laws in that case.

when discussion of possible event is barred and illegal...

I wonder what would happen if you went around saying you were going to kill Gordon Brown?

You think MI5 would just not care?

[Frankie88]

I wonder what would happen if you went around saying you were going to kill Gordon Brown?

You think MI5 would just not care?

I don't think they would care if you said it in the Political Mudpit of TWC, if you did it on the forum of Al Jazeera maybe. But MI5 are probably all watching Quantum of Solace anyway.

[Sidmen]

you might want to review your laws in that case.

when discussion of possible event is barred and illegal...

There is a distinct difference between threatening someone "I will Kill XYZ"

and discussing the possibility of him being assassinated. While you won't be thrown in jail/fined for the latter, it is a very fine line that will be crossed on this site.

[Heinz Guderian]

There is a distinct difference between threatening someone "I will Kill XYZ"

and discussing the possibility of him being assassinated. While you won't be thrown in jail/fined for the latter, it is a very fine line that will be crossed on this site.

what he said.

keeping a thread open which has such subject matter opens it up to the possibility that people will roll in and threaten the Pres. Like Sidmen said, the line will and has been crossed. If a mod has to keep deleting posts in any thread and constantly has to issue warnings, its usually closed down.

Its not the admin/mods curtailing anyone's freedom of speech. take it from me. I am a dirty left wing anti-war anti-big government anti-intrusion angry man.

[Војвода Драгутин Кесеровић]

what he said.
Its not the admin/mods curtailing anyone's freedom of speech. take it from me. I am a dirty left wing anti-war anti-big government anti-intrusion angry man.

Ok - the freedom of speech aside - but when scottishranger and EvM say that "fear of DHS was also one of the reasons" - I believe them....
And that brings us back to the fact that DHS is most probably monitoring the TWC - again, I say - maybe even in silent cooperation with some of TWC staff

I don't wanna start the "who's the spy among us" game - I only feel it needs to be said, it maybe paranoya - but it is based on the statements of some of the staf - confirming that they do fear the DHS....

[Wiertz]

Oooh, we are being watched way more then you think. WAY more. There was a documentary on the television lately about the USA and Dutch relations. There were about 20 FBI/CIA/whateva agents active in the Netherlands alone, doing stuff noone wants to know. And loads of other stuff, basically it came down to: The US asks, The Netherlands answers, without hesistation, without asking.

[Rich86]

Are the secret services of our respective countries watching us?

Of course. It wouldn't take long to do a quick google "Obama" & "Assassination" and see what pages come up....you never know - might just find someone dumb enough to put his plans out in public on some dodgy white supremacist forum.