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    Ok President Bush wasn't the best president or even good, but he wasn't all bad.

    Some things he did:

    1. Strengthen Indo-American relations.
    2. Walked the tight rope of Sino-American relations and kept us at least amicable.
    3. Urged against violence against Muslims after 9-11.
    4. Helped fix Iraq (though he broke it badly in the first place so that probably doesn't count).
    5. Recognized Kosovo
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    Exactly, those are good things there. By the way, is that Bill Clinton President School just a fake?


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    Well he was better then the fallowing, Nixon, Wilson, Harding, Buchanon, Hays, and Hoover, still put him in the bottom ten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Well he was better then the fallowing, Nixon, Wilson, Harding, Buchanon, Hays, and Hoover, still put him in the bottom ten.

    edit artorius yes it is.
    Hell no, he wasn't better than Nixon (who I dislike, and would've prolly hated had I been an adult at the time...). Nixon accomplished miracles of foreign policy, under much more difficult conditions than Bush enjoyed. Insecure, paranoid, megalomaniacal, corrupt, ruthless...and effective...Bush is no comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hounf of Culan View Post
    8) put the hurt on those asswipes Al Qaeda
    someone has already said this but erm.... ya, Al Qaeda's numbers have swollen. pre-bush it was just a hum drum terrorist group, now its your end all be all, New York Yankees of terrorist groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Well he was better then the fallowing, Nixon, Wilson, Harding, Buchanon, Hays, and Hoover, still put him in the bottom ten.

    edit artorius yes it is.
    Oops.

    You forgot four of the main guys he is (not "was", people) better than (there are others).

    Teddy, FDR, Carter, and Clinton.

    Bush is a particularly average president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Ok President Bush wasn't the best president or even good, but he wasn't all bad.

    Some things he did:

    1. Strengthen Indo-American relations.
    2. Walked the tight rope of Sino-American relations and kept us at least amicable.
    3. Urged against violence against Muslims after 9-11.
    4. Helped fix Iraq (though he broke it badly in the first place so that probably doesn't count).
    5. Recognized Kosovo
    Flamewar is on especially number 5. Its about 6am in Eastern Europe right now. Wait till they wake up.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Flamewar is on especially number 5. Its about 6am in Eastern Europe right now. Wait till they wake up.
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    bushbush: Not arguing with you that he was bad, but in belittling people we sometimes forget that they did some good things, and Bush wasn't Hitler so don't make that comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Flamewar is on especially number 5. Its about 6am in Eastern Europe right now. Wait till they wake up.

    LMFAO! Awsome, purely awsome! QFT.

    But I think that yes, he did all five of those things and those things were good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Ok President Bush wasn't the best president or even good, but he wasn't all bad.

    Some things he did:

    1. Strengthen Indo-American relations.
    2. Walked the tight rope of Sino-American relations and kept us at least amicable.
    3. Urged against violence against Muslims after 9-11.
    4. Helped fix Iraq (though he broke it badly in the first place so that probably doesn't count).
    5. Recognized Kosovo
    relative to what he screwed up...he was pretty bad..

    but i agree, in terms of Sino-US relationship, he did a fairly good job, especially meditating between China and taiwan.

    let's also add a couple more:

    6. north korea now on the track of abandoning nukes
    7. Libya did so under his reign.
    Have a question about China? Get your answer here.

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    6) Increased aid to Africa to combat AIDS/malaria etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    6) Increased aid to Africa to combat AIDS/malaria etc
    As bad of a President as he has been, he deserves credit for what you just mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narva View Post
    As bad of a President as he has been, he deserves credit for what you just mentioned.
    No, that's one of the horrible un-Constitutional socialist things he did that made him so average (average for the modern US politician being horrid).

    It's not the place of the US government to take care of Africans.

    Unless you want to show me where the Constitution gives them the power to do that, then by all means...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    No, that's one of the horrible un-Constitutional socialist things he did that made him so average (average for the modern US politician being horrid).

    It's not the place of the US government to take care of Africans.

    Unless you want to show me where the Constitution gives them the power to do that, then by all means...
    Providing aid to suffering people is unconstitutional?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos_Rouvelas View Post
    Providing aid to suffering people is unconstitutional?
    Giving money to try and slow/stop the spread of disease in Africa is unconstitutional.

    Unless, again, you want to show me where the Constitution gives the government this power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    6) Increased aid to Africa to combat AIDS/malaria etc
    Diverted funding from contraception to promoting abstinence in Africa... one step forward two steps back


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyknocker View Post
    Diverted funding from contraception to promoting abstinence in Africa... one step forward two steps back
    Yeah, he shouldn't have done that either. It, like giving money to help AIDs victims in Africa, is unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Yeah, he shouldn't have done that either. It, like giving money to help AIDs victims in Africa, is unconstitutional.
    Aid was already being delivered to Africa, Bush just changed the way it's used. Promoting abstinence is a waste of time, and does not work- distributing and educating about contraception does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyknocker View Post
    Aid was already being delivered to Africa, Bush just changed the way it's used. Promoting abstinence is a waste of time, and does not work- distributing and educating about contraception does.
    The fact that aid was being delivered to Africa doesn't make increasing the funding any more Constitutional.
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    7. Shet on our liberties and the constitution

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