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    Default Russia to deploy new missiles to Baltic to counter the US missile shield

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5090077.ece

    President Dmitri Medvedev took advantage of the euphoria in America today to order the deployment of missiles inside Europe as a response to US plans for a missile defence shield.

    Speaking within hours of Barack Obama's election as the new US President, Mr Medvedev announced that Russia would base Iskander missiles in its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad next to the border with Poland.

    He did not say whether the short-range missiles would carry nuclear warheads. Mr Medvedev also cancelled earlier plans to withdraw three intercontinental ballistic missile regiments from western Russia.

    "An Iskander missile system will be deployed in the Kaliningrad region to neutralise if necessary the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe," Mr Medvedev said in his first state-of-the-nation address.

    He added that Russia was also ready to deploy its navy and to install electronic jamming devices to interfere with the US shield, which involves the deployment of a radar station in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in Poland.

    His announcement prompted a burst of applause from government ministers and parliamentary deputies assembled in the Kremlin. The President failed to congratulate Mr Obama or even to mention him by name during his 85-minute state of the nation address televised live across Russia.

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    In his only reference to the US election, he said that he hoped the new administration would work to repair its relationship with Moscow. He said: "I stress that we have no problem with the American people, no inborn anti-Americanism. And we hope that our partners, the US administration, will make a choice in favour of full-fledged relations with Russia."

    Mr Medvedev blamed the US for the global financial crisis, saying that the rest of the world had been "dragged down with it into recession". He claimed that the era of American domination after the collapse of the Soviet Union was now over.

    "The world cannot be ruled from one capital. Those who do not want to understand this will only create new problems for themselves and others," he said.

    Imo Russia wants to see how Obama will respond and, in a way, pressuring the next US administration to backdown with Bush's plan to install the missile shield in Poland.

    How do you think the US will react to Medvedev's statement now that Bush is getting ready to leave the White House?
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Smart move, and its true the world can't be ruled from one capital.
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    Dumb move.

    The cowboy is still in office for 2 1/2 months. Oops.
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Obama wont backdown with bushs plan to place missile shield, why would he?
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Well as the ''world hails Obama'' Bush still has 76 days left in the White House.

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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie88 View Post
    Well as the ''world hails Obama'' Bush still has 76 days left in the White House.
    True, but that doesn't mean the russians are in a hurry. It will take some time to deploy those missiles.
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    What americans fail to undestand is that EU doesn't view Russia as an enemy but only as a agressive trading partner.Some EU countries can't forget the past and still see Russia as an enemy and count on USA backing them,those missiles aren't targetting Berlin,Paris or even London.
    Soon the time will come for US to pick up her toys and go play cops and robbers with the russians on other countries territories.
    To put is simpler for USArs,Russia is the main supplier of resources to EU and EU the main inverstitor in the Russian economy,a cold relation wont benefit anyone and EU wont damage her relation with the Russian Federation to please US.
    A short look over the German-Russian relations will make things look clear.

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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by The King of Peasants
    Thats one of his cuts actually.
    No its not.

    Obama actually changed his mind on Missile Defense sometime ago. He now believes that the ABM Shield should go forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Scratch
    The missile shield is a waste of money anyway as it will probably be quickly surpassed by new technology.
    The next technology level will be Hypersonic intercontinental bombers, ALBMs, and Solid State lasers.

    Areas the US is far ahead of anyone else in.

    The current ABM Shield works, its precisely why the Russians are so spooked about it. Once its set up fully its really going to leave them with some interesting choices to make with regards to their nuclear arsenal.

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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Well actually - the ball is still firmly in Bush's court right now.

    He's still president.

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    He is hoping Obama will backtrack to preserve his popularity. Which he will probably do.

    Europe must be ready to face threats without the US in future years.

    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Thom...ities_999.html

    Thompson Files: Missile defense realities
    by Loren B. Thompson
    Arlington, Va. (UPI) Nov 4, 2008

    With the U.S. economy facing the worst outlook in three generations, it isn't hard to figure out where the next administration -- whether it be the Obama or McCain administration -- will focus most of its attention.
    What could be worse than credit markets collapsing just as baby boomers are about to retire? Well, here's something a lot worse: losing a million of those baby boomers, and their kids, in a nuclear attack.

    That danger has been with us since the dawn of the nuclear age, but it grew worse over the last eight years as the Bush administration botched efforts to slow the spread of nuclear weapons. Because of its missteps in Iran, North Korea, Pakistan and elsewhere, we are facing a more diverse and unpredictable nuclear danger than ever before.

    The nuclear threat was bigger during the Cold War, if you're just counting warheads, but it was also simpler back then because we didn't have to worry about unpredictable characters like Kim Jong Il, the leader of North Korea, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran. As long as Russia -- and later China -- was deterred by the threat of overwhelming retaliation, Americans could convince themselves that they were safe. Not now.

    Who really understands the thought processes of Kim Il Sung's ne'er-do-well son, or the Islamic nationalists who one day might rule Pakistan? Even if they are rational -- which is assuming a lot, based on past behavior -- they still might be accident prone or given to miscalculation in assessing U.S. behavior. So deterrence the way U.S. governments used to practice it is a declining franchise, at least when it comes to the growing club of nuclear arrivistes popping up around the world.

    This means there really is no alternative to missile defense, a conclusion the Clinton administration reached 10 years ago. And in that regard, there actually is some good news. The Bush administration has invested enough money in missile defense -- about 2 percent of the defense budget -- so that the new administration will inherit programs capable of defeating the kind of arsenals nuclear upstarts such as North Korea possess.

    Some of these programs, like the missile-defense capabilities of Navy Aegis-class destroyers, are available on warfighting systems that serve a host of other missions too, making them real bargains. They are useless against an all-out Russian strategic attack, but they can cope with most of the other threats we face today.

    The problem is tomorrow. U.S. intelligence has detected new kinds of threats, such as maneuvering warheads that will make it increasingly difficult to achieve interception once warheads have separated from rocket boosters and released penetration aids such as decoys.

    Of course, critics of missile defense always predicted this would happen. But when the enemy is not deterrable, you still need a defensive response. That means hitting them early in their trajectory -- either before boosters cut off -- boost phase -- or between cutoff and warhead release -- ascent phase.

    The U.S. Missile Defense Agency has been funding several programs that could intercept hostile missiles in boost or ascent phase. One is the Kinetic Energy Interceptor, an agile, high-acceleration system that can get close to launch sites because of its mobility.

    Another is the Airborne Laser, which will be able to strike lofting missiles above the clouds at the speed of light using a laser from hundreds of miles away.

    A third program is the Network Centric Airborne Defense Element, an inexpensive modification of the main air-to-air missile carried on U.S. fighters that could be ready to intercept enemy missiles by the end of the next president's first term in office.

    Other options exist. The cost of these programs is so modest, and the threat to the United States from emerging nuclear actors is so great, that the new administration needs to figure out how to keep them going, regardless of what happens to the economy in the years ahead.
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    seriously, 60 years after ww2, russia still think europe is a push over? I seriously doubt that. but that missile shield on the door step of russia, you know bush is asking for a confrontation. bush is as loony as ever.
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by craziii View Post
    seriously, 60 years after ww2, russia still think europe is a push over? I seriously doubt that. but that missile shield on the door step of russia, you know bush is asking for a confrontation. bush is as loony as ever.
    It's a move I can understand because if you look at the shape of the globe and missile trajectories to the US from dangerous countries then the Poland shield defends against the middle east more than against russia. There aren't a lot of other friendly countries to have placed this shield in.

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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    It doesn't mean though that Putin won't try and press Obama's buttons. Hopefully though, the two will meet and gain a good understanding of the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    It doesn't mean though that Putin won't try and press Obama's buttons. Hopefully though, the two will meet and gain a good understanding of the other.
    Aye, I hope Obama invites him over for some hoops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento View Post
    Aye, I hope Obama invites him over for some hoops.
    It’s what Kennedy probably did during the Cuban missile crisis.

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    well looks like obama will be tested right away-

    he better not back down like a pussy
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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    After all, they have so much in common...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    After all, they have so much in common...
    Details details.

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    Default Re: Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama.

    Well, although everyone in his right mind likes Obama (after all he is the Messiah reborn) it is interesting to see how well-received his election has been in all totalitarian countries. Looked at Iranian newspapers for example?

    Said this Obama is also much of a statalist, and Putin's old KGB school. Can you imagine the pleasure he will have in discussing with someone who finally sees the need to "redistribute wealth"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Well, although everyone in his right mind likes Obama (after all he is the Messiah reborn) it is interesting to see how well-received his election has been in all totalitarian countries. Looked at Iranian newspapers for example?

    Said this Obama is also much of a statalist, and Putin's old KGB school. Can you imagine the pleasure he will have in discussing with someone who finally sees the need to "redistribute wealth"?
    What is a statalist?

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