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    Source: http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/ar...entid=10465208

    Global financial crisis is the “end of the era” for capitalism


    By Alastair Bruce, MSN Money UK Editor
    November 03 2008
    One of Britain's best known historians believes the global financial crisis is the "end of an era" for capitalism and a long overdue return to government intervention.
    Eric Hobsbawm, the 91-year-old Marxist historian, author and academic, told MSN Money the past two decades of unfettered capitalism had been as damaging as Soviet economic totalitarianism.
    Biography and further details on Eric Hobsbawm
    In his responses to MSN Money's questions, Hobsbawm predicted that far from being a hiccup or correction of the markets, "the present crisis is certainly the end of the era in the development of the global capitalist economy."
    Hobsbawm's views on the present crisis present a radical counterpoint to mainstream financial journalism and uncover potential causes and repercussions that have not received much coverage.




    The media and economic analysts have given many explanations of why the crash happened and who is to blame. Few have blamed free market capitalism itself as the cause of its own inevitable demise. Many point instead to elements within the system that could have been controlled better.
    The New York Times, for instance, argued that Alan Greenspan's support for derivatives while Federal Reserve chairman from 1987 to 2006 "helped enable an ambitious American experiment in letting market forces run free. Now, the nation is confronting the consequences." It said that if Greenspan had acted differently "the current crisis might have been averted or muted."
    Hobsbawm in contrast told MSN Money that he believed a "free market theology," a sort of blind faith in capitalism, was the root cause.
    In the e-mail interview, Hobsbawm said that running global economies on an "effectively unregulated basis" is as doomed to failure as "the project of a totally state-run planned economy in the Soviet systems." He said he welcomed state intervention as a "return to common sense".
    What do you think of Eric Hobsbawm's views?
    We might be entering a period when traditionally socialist principles hold sway, and if this means that the traditional aims of socialism - to create conditions for a good life for all people equally and to subordinate profit to human values - are adhered to, then so much the better for Hobsbawm.
    What opponents of free markets have to consider though is whether regulation and prosperity can ever go hand-in-hand, whether if we want boom we always have to accept bust, a point Gordon Brown might have pondered more often since 1997.
    How the electorate in an increasingly politically and economically marginalised US will react to an extended period of bust will work itself out over the next few years. After the 1929 depression Hobsbawm writes that there was a turn to the right of the political spectrum. No matter the result of the McCain/Obama election a further consequence of the crisis might well be a further strengthening of the influence of evangelical politics in the US.
    Thats the summary of the interview, the full text is given in the link aswell.

    Discuss.
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    To suggest that a Marxist that has been announcing an end of en era every day for decades is a story is beyond belief. This guy is like the cartoon chacter with rags and sandals carrying a sign saying "the end is near" or some other rubbish. He is interviewed only because things are a bit messed up at the moment and not because his views of the world have merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    To suggest that a Marxist that has been announcing an end of en era every day for decades is a story is beyond belief. This guy is like the cartoon chacter with rags and sandals carrying a sign saying "the end is near" or some other rubbish. He is interviewed only because things are a bit messed up at the moment and not because his views of the world have merit.
    He doesn't label himself a marxist. In anycase I'm not trying to side with him just trying to get something other than US elections to talk about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamari View Post
    He doesn't label himself a marxist. In anycase I'm not trying to side with him just trying to get something other than US elections to talk about
    He is still a MArist. He still has been sputing an end of an era for longer than the current era even existed. Review his work and get back with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    He is still a MArist. He still has been sputing an end of an era for longer than the current era even existed. Review his work and get back with me.
    Regardless, I'm just throwing an idea out there. Could there be some truth to the prediction or is it utter bullschiese?

    I think some points of his might be true, since Northern Rock there has been alot of talk about more regulations (or lack of in some cases) in the market edging towards a more socialist climate. He does also say that far left Stalinesque stuff is just as bad so he isnt totaly one sided.

    I'm uninterested in him as person, I just would like to discuss this idea and hopefully we can prove or disprove his theory.
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    Key words:

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    Every time there is a recession the media blows everything out of proportion. There should be an end to the era of sensationalist reporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos_Rouvelas View Post
    Every time there is a recession the media blows everything out of proportion. There should be an end to the era of sensationalist reporting.
    Amen to that. Still any other thoughts on the article?
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    True. Always blown out of proportion by hate mongerers and reactionaries etc.

    The capitalist system has changed over the years to adapt and will continue to do do, whereas the hard line Stalinist-Communist systems didn't change and adapt and therefore they fell apart.

    Time to go use my 2 TV converter box coupons I recieved from the capitalist-socialist USA Federal Governmnt to convert my TV to the new air waves and digital output. Now, that is a form of socialism that our capitalist system has adapted, that is government help free of charge in this case, although the program is of course funded by our tax dollars.

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    Default Re: End of an era for capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calamari View Post
    Source: http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/ar...entid=10465208



    Thats the summary of the interview, the full text is given in the link aswell.

    Discuss.
    Typical of MSN to post any old crap on their site no wonder nearly everyone chages their homepage to google as soon as they get thier computer.

    I know of plenty of historians but I can't remember the name 'Eric Hobsbawm', the fact is there's not a country in the world that practices pure capitalism or anything close to it, there has always been a balancing act between companies right to trade and governments intervention and enforcement of rules and laws. It's typical of the British Media to blow these things out of proportion, in two years time the economy will be on the up again and the credit crunch will be a thing of the past, house prices might take a bit longer to recover but that just means first time buyers have a chance to get on the property ladder.

    Last edited by Freddie; November 03, 2008 at 06:16 PM.

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