stupid romans

[A Demented Goldfish]

on rtw whenever i play a faction like egypt or Parthia the romans always expaned into a great empire realy quickly which makes it realy difficult to take any places out side of the middle east

[Vequor]

This should be moved.

[MaryPoppinCaps]

This should be moved.

No no no no no..... let's discuss this in a political fashion while flaming each other for our opinions.

Sound good?

[Dunecat]

The Parthians must overthrow the Roman capitalists! No longer will their greedy warmongering dominate the political reality in Europe! UNFURL THE RED FLAG COMRADES!

[Otsman]

hey lenin...




...shutup

[MaryPoppinCaps]

hey lenin...




...shutup

I thought it was pretty on topic

[A Demented Goldfish]

on very hard i can win with the roman and greek city states and carthage and gual but whenever i play a faction like egypt or Parthia the romans always expaned into a great empire realy quickly which makes it really difficult to take any places out side of the middle east

[D.B. Cooper]

Glad to hear it .


What are you asking?

[A Demented Goldfish]

for help kickin roman ass

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Moving to Battle Planning.

[NobleNick]

Can't help much with Parthia, yet; because I am getting my tush kicked by other Eastern factions (including Egypt) on VH/VH.

However, Egypt is a different story. Focus on economy buildings, temples and fast expansion. Take everything from the North-central coast of Africa, around the Med. Work counter-clockwise until you have all of the middle east and turkey. You should be able to do all this with out interference from Rome, if you do it in about 40 turns. About the time you hit Greece, you will meet the Romans (Brutii, most likely).

While doing this, get one city, each, to specialize in making Nile Spearmen, Desert Axemen, Pharoah's Bowmen, and cavalry. Build appropriate temples in each of these cities, and re-train units in multiple places if needed to buff their stats.

When you meet the Romans, pour boatloads of stacks into the fray. Stacks should consist of:

1 general
1 cav of your choice
6 Nile spearmen
6 Desert Axemen
6 Pharoah's Bowmen -OR- Chariot Archers

Make lots of these stacks. By turn 40, if you paid attention to your economy, and expanded in a reasonable manner (Egypt = at least 25 territories), you should be able to pump out troops non-stop. Use missile troops to win the battles, by taking defensive stances on hills, with spears and Axes defending the bowmen; or speed defending the Chariot archers.

Try to use your stacks to take cities. Try to avoid the Roman stacks. This means you should be making lots of spies (maybe 3 spies for every 5 cities you own) to scout things out and open city gates for your armies.

Severous beat the SP Egypt campaign, on VH/VH, in 30-something turns. IIRC, I was able to win the same campaign (Egypt, VH/VH, vanilla) in 40-something turns, using the strategy I outlined above.

I hope that helps.

[A Demented Goldfish]

Alright i maneged to take greece but im getting my ass kicked in navel battles almost all my greek cities are blockaded and and scipii are invading egypt and i carnt stop them because i dont have a stong enough navy to take on three factions

[Amaranth]

I had a very tough campaing too, and I posted pictures to explain my position exactly. So that people could help me easily.

Can you provide us some Screenshots of your current campaign map ? Including a shot of your armed forces, and theirs too if possible. Like this; Diplomatic Battles.

Detail your campaign; Are you playing in Vanilla, How's the current Diplomacy in your game, Is Romans have a powerful ally nearby your faction, or do you ave any against them ? How far their borders expand on the world map ?


With that I'm sure we can come up with a solution for your problem.

[A Demented Goldfish]

ok i carnt upload screen shots right now but il try later i control all of the middle east and greece i am playing as egypt on vh/vh my allies are britania and spain because they are at war with the romans to. greece is well protected with my elite forces but the scipii have started invading egypt and because of the romans supirior navy om finding it hard to defend my costs let alone invade over seas my capital of alexandra is under siege with only 6 turns to go until it fall but they will probably assault before then and and my reinforcements are 8 turns away so i need help

[Amaranth]

Is there no way to defend it in case of an early attack ? If your capital is surrounded by Stone Walls or Higher you can always depend on Archers to inflict hvy casualty to the attacker. Skirmisher would even do. You only need at least 3-4 stack of good archers and at least 3 stack of Phalanx unit, or hvy infantry. In case of emergency I usually hire mercs where my movement ponits are spend and send them to the forward. I repeat this whenever possible until I arrive the destination. But if your city completely defenseless, then you got no choice but to wait, till the enemy arrives. If there's a General in the city, go on training units. If they attack early however, don't give them the pleasure of an easy victory, deploy your units well, and at least cause as much as casualty as you can. Fight to the death! So that your reinforcements may have a little less difficulty fighting a little less enemy.

Don't let your armies sit around. Take the Greece forces forward, the best way to deal wth Romans, is to assault directly to the Italy. Yes, in all my camp. experiences, I always found that the most precise thing to do against Rome. If you can split them, you can have them. If you can hold, at least destroy every building you can. Cause as much as damage you can and retreat.

Now.. About the sea.. You need Navy man. Controlling the Sea means a lot in a campaign. Build a navy fast, and build at least briereme or triereme. Try to block as much Roman port as possible. Btw How's your financial situation atm ?


PS: I'm excitedly waiting for Screenshots. Give me a general view of the map, your borders, your forces and theirs. Then I can think something better.

[A Demented Goldfish]

because i build mines roads and farms my financial is steady. the scipii just assaulted they had 5 units of hasti 3 units of cavalry aluxia and 6 units of principles 2 siege towers and 1 ladder i had 1 unit of pharos gurd 2 units of pharos bowmen 1 general and 3 desert infentery. I lost the city but cost the scipii 462 men and i tried your merc stratergy and there 2 turns away but romans keep sending reinforcements but i carnt get ships out fast enough to combat their navy efficiently making an invasion of italy impossible

[NobleNick]

Pharoah01275,

Amaranth is giving you good advice:

...If your capital is surrounded by Stone Walls or Higher you can always depend on Archers to inflict hvy casualty to the attacker. Skirmisher would even do. You only need at least 3-4 stack of good archers and at least 3 stack of Phalanx unit, or hvy infantry ... don't give them the pleasure of an easy victory...

I'm glad you took that advice. Way to go!

...Don't let your armies sit around. Take the Greece forces forward, the best way to deal wth Romans, is to assault directly to the Italy ....If you can hold, at least destroy every building you can. Cause as much as damage you can and retreat....

I believe Amaranth meant "....If you can't hold, at least...

This is excellent advice. Hold what you can (and get money for it) and destroy what you can't hold (and get money for that) and leave it to rebel BEFORE the enemy can get an army to it. That way the enemy spends time and resources fighting the rebels instead of fighting you. This is called "scorched earth" policy.

...You need Navy man. Controlling the Sea means a lot in a campaign. Build a navy fast, and build at least briereme or triereme. Try to block as much Roman port as possible...

For most facions the first part of this statement is not true; but for Egypt it is very good strategy. You can win at sea! The trick is to build up stacks of ships that can win. In other words, don't send out 9 pairs of triremes and expect to win. Instead, send out 3 stacks of 6 triremes, so that any stack can be expected to crush its opposition. Keep the stacks in the Eastern Med until it is clean. Then push your screen westward, only as fast as you can kill everything in your path.

I often use a layered screen (a screen behind a screen) That way, if I encounter a fleet and thump it with my first screen, and it flees EAST, then I can finish it off with the second screen in the same turn. Oft times, if the second encounter does not finish it off, the enemy fleet will flee WEST, where the first creen can engage again, in the very same turn. Tis a wonderful feeling: sending a fleet, with a full stack army onboard, to Davy Jones' Locker.

After you have crushed everything of significance, you can break your strong fleets into smaller ones, to give you better coverage of the sea; and/or the ability to blockade more ports.

I hope this helps.

[A Demented Goldfish]

all da advice helps but i have one more problem. Amaranth said not to let go of southern italy but im surrounded with the brutii to the east the Julii and scipii to the west the julii and senate to the north and the scipii to the south so sould i try and hold my ground or destroy everything and go concentrate on fighting the brutii in dacia and thrace

[A Demented Goldfish]

why have to of my threads merged

[NobleNick]

...i have one more problem. Amaranth said not to let go of southern italy but im surrounded ...so sould i try and hold my ground or destroy everything and go concentrate on fighting the brutii in dacia and thrace

If you are truly surrounded and isolated, and there are easy pickings (lightly defended cities) I would practice "scorched earth," and take & raze as many cities as I could: cause the maximum amount of pain. Concentrate on taking cities of those factions causing you pain in Greece. The proper way to do this, since you are doing OK for money, is to EXTERMINATE when you capture and then raze all the buildings you can before leaving.