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    Quote Originally Posted by Just for Catholics
    Question: Do Catholics believe that people of other religions, such as Muslims, will go to heaven?

    Answer: Historically Rome taught that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church; therefore Muslims, like other non-Catholics, could not be saved unless they convert to the Catholic religion.

    Relatively recently the Catholic authorities changed their mind; now they assure Muslims (and members of other religions) that they can be saved if they follow their religion conscientiously. ‘The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.’ (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium).

    From the Christian perspective, we cannot agree with Rome’s novel stand. We ought to take seriously the commission that our Lord entrusted to the church: ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned’ (Mark 16:15,16).


    Our mission is to preach the gospel to everyone because all have sinned, Muslims are not an exception. The whole world, says the Scripture, is guilty before God. Every person needs to hear about the Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.


    We have no right to tell them that they will be saved by their religion. Muslims are taught to deny that Jesus is the Son of God; they do not believe that Jesus died for our sin, nor that he was resurrected and exalted above all. Muslims are taught that Jesus was a prophet, but not that he is the ultimate and perfect revelation of God. Muslims work hard to obtain salvation, but they have no sacrifice for sin, nor do they appreciate that salvation is a free gift of God received by faith in Christ.


    Only after we have shared the gospel, can we assure them that they are saved if and when they believe in the Lord Jesus. Otherwise we have no message for them other than ‘he who does not believe will be condemned.'


    • All people - whatever their religion - have one common problem: sin.


    • All people - whatever their religion - have one way of salvation: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.


    • All other ways lead to death.


    The Roman Church is giving a false hope of salvation to Muslims and other unbelievers.


    If you are a Muslim, please understand that as an evangelical Christian, I respect and love you. As human beings we have a double problem: ignorance and guilt. We need to learn God's will and we need to be freed from sin. The Lord Jesus Christ came to the world to fulfill both needs. He is the prophet who reveals God in truth; he is also the Saviour, who died on the cross to pay the ransom for our freedom. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6). If you really believe that Jesus is a prophet, take his words seriously! There is no other way to heaven.
    I came up across this interesting article in which i found to be very pleasant, so as a Christian, how much do you agree with this ?
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    Christians are making dhimmi's out of themself
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    Religion fanaticism. Huh! what is it good for? absolutely nothing.
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    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orko View Post
    Religion fanaticism. Huh! what is it good for? absolutely nothing.
    It's not fanaticism, it's belief.
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cobra View Post
    It's not fanaticism, it's belief.
    Fanatic belief.

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    According to the Koran, they first go to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    According to the Koran, they first go to hell.
    Who ? - which verse ?
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    Good people go to heaven. Simple as that.

    Evil folks don't. They go somewhere else, or just cease to exist in all.

    And to prime myself for the soon to ensue 'what is good/evil/it's all relative' debate, It's time for a dutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    According to the Koran, they first go to hell.
    Depends, it's like Purgatory. But Christians, and Jews, and Sabians and Theists can go to heaven. etc.

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    019.066
    YUSUFALI: Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"
    PICKTHAL: And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive?
    SHAKIR: And says man: What! when I am dead shall I truly be brought forth alive?

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    YUSUFALI: But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?
    PICKTHAL: Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
    SHAKIR: Does not man remember that We created him before, when he was nothing?

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    YUSUFALI: So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;
    PICKTHAL: And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
    SHAKIR: So by your Lord! We will most certainly gather them together and the Shaitans, then shall We certainly cause them to be present round hell on their knees.

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    YUSUFALI: Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.
    PICKTHAL: Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent.
    SHAKIR: Then We will most certainly draw forth from every sect of them him who is most exorbitantly rebellious against the Beneficent Allah.

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    YUSUFALI: And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.
    PICKTHAL: And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
    SHAKIR: Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein.

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    YUSUFALI: Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.
    PICKTHAL: There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
    SHAKIR: And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.

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    YUSUFALI: But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.
    PICKTHAL: Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.
    SHAKIR: And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.
    Elsewhere though it is stated that if you Jihad you go directly to paradise, so there's a consolation: you can earn paradise with blood. Of course there's a tweak. If there is no one attacking the Ummah, what is one to do? And why does God favour those who live in times of war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Elsewhere though it is stated that if you Jihad you go directly to paradise, so there's a consolation: you can earn paradise with blood. Of course there's a tweak. If there is no one attacking the Ummah, what is one to do? And why does God favour those who live in times of war?
    Not really, it's said in the Koran that all humans will pass over hell on a path defined by their piety - The faithful only will be able to pass over it, whilst the unbelievers and impious will fall into hell, so how does it say that Muslims go to hell first ?
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Elsewhere though it is stated that if you Jihad you go directly to paradise, so there's a consolation: you can earn paradise with blood. Of course there's a tweak. If there is no one attacking the Ummah, what is one to do? And why does God favour those who live in times of war?
    I guess you have no knowledge of the real meaning of Jihad as it is stated in Qur'an.
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    my personal opion is that different groups worship the same god, just in different ways. just because you worship one way and call him a different name, does not mean that he is a different god. afterall, monotheism teaches ONE god, so asuming other religions aren't satanic, then we must all believe in the same being. and if all religions are satanic BUT one, then how do christians KNOW they have it right? this all points to ONE GOD, but many ways of worshiping him.

    I also disagree that jews go to jewish heaven, christians to their heaven, and muslims to theirs, ect.,... although possible, i believe that again MONOtheism would mean that God has created ONE heaven and ONE hell.

    p.s. i am a christian, i do believe in god, but have received little religious education... meaning that all of this is MY PERSONAL beliefs, free of outside influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Elsewhere though it is stated that if you Jihad you go directly to paradise, so there's a consolation: you can earn paradise with blood. Of course there's a tweak. If there is no one attacking the Ummah, what is one to do? And why does God favour those who live in times of war?
    you still don't learn what jihad is.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    you still don't learn what jihad is.....
    What you think jihad is, and what jihadists themselves think jihad is, are two very different things.
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    As I said, muslims first go to hell, than according to their life deeds they are sent to heaven or not. They go to hell first, thus. Mujaheddin though, according to another verse, go directly to heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    As I said, muslims first go to hell, than according to their life deeds they are sent to heaven or not. They go to hell first, thus. Mujaheddin though, according to another verse, go directly to heaven.
    They don't go "through" hell, they pass over it. they never do touch fire, they'll pass over it on a sort of bridge.
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    Not one of you but will pass over it

    But there is adversative (an archaic use).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Not one of you but will pass over it
    Reap the promised end to the struggle. Reap every point on our linear path.
    Reap the smiles in time we borrow, every harvest relies on the last.
    Reap the promising song of the sparrow, that they learned from the birth of sea.
    Silenced by the threnody of the crows. Reap the fallen fruit of the dogwood tree.
    But I witnessed in all this silence one soul's definition of beauty. and a backlit smile so temporary.
    A facade so rich with evil history. Cast in direct opposition set to overwhelm this moment to shine and sleep.
    came out on top of what was borrowed, and found all that beauty to be still...

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    It appears you don't understand english. Ar-Razi was of the same opinion, by the way, so the arabic one cannot differ much.

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