Evidence of Georgia commiting war crimes

[bigfootedfred]

Evidence obtained by the BBC in the breakaway region suggests Georgia used indiscriminate force, and may have targeted civilians.
Witnesses said tanks had fired on an apartment block, and civilians were shot at as they fled the fighting.



The BBC recently undertook the first unrestricted visit to South Ossetia by a foreign news organisation since the conflict.



Mr Miliband - normally a strong supporter of Georgia - told the BBC: "I think the Georgian action was reckless, I think the Russian response was disproportionate and wrong.
"And that is the series of events that have landed us where we are.
"On my visit to Tbilisi of course I raised at the highest level in Georgia, the questions that have been asked and raised about war crimes and other military actions by the Georgian authorities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7696374.stm


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7696119.stm

Did i and many others get this one all wrong?
We saw russian tanks and planes blasting the hell outa things and didnt stop to think?

The image of The Russians kicking out the Georgian army,
The Army which it seems was going around blowing up buildings for the fun of it, and gunning down fleeing civillians.

Is a rather....different one, to say the least.

[Andrew87]

Both sides indirectly targeted civillians. It's a shame but that's war.

Still, I haven't seen any evidence on the so called "genocide" theory. :hmmm:

[bigfootedfred]

Still, I haven't seen any evidence on the so called "genocide" theory. :hmmm:

well the genocide claim made the russian media is still looking to be a crock of shite.
but it seems they were simply exaggerating to an extreme fox news wouldnt dare too, rather than just 'making it up'.

[Panzerbear]

Both sides indirectly targeted civillians. It's a shame but that's war.

Georgians pulverized South Ossetian cities with heavy artillery and missile systems for 2.5 days. ugh... indirectly targeting?

the Russian troops intervened to STOP/PREVENT the genocide (i.e. continuation of slaughter of helpless Ossetian civilians).
1,500 civilians died in 3 days. think about it. what if the massacre lasted for, lets say, a couple of weeks?

all that being said, I do not see the point in discussing this any further. those who have eyes and open mind already figured it all out.

[cupoftea]

Not this again.... :/

[attilavolciak07]

Not this again.... :/

[motiv-8]

The Army it seems which it seems was going around blowing up buildings for the fun of it, and gunning down fleeing civillians.

Exaggeration, indeed.

[Bovril]

In war there is very rarely a good guy.

Something I kept saying whilst this crisis was at boiling point, but everyone seems to love an anti-Russian bandwagon.

[Panzerbear]

everyone seems to love an anti-Russian bandwagon.

yeah, tell me about it...

the net of it is that they still hate us. they still think we are bloodthirsty baby eating commies who seek to restore our empire.

I am not going to loose my sleep over it trying to prove them wrong. I AM SO TIRED OF THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS.

[Vince Noir]

yeah, tell me about it...

the net of it is that they still hate us. they still think we are bloodthirsty baby eating commies who seek to restore our empire.

I am not going to loose my sleep over it trying to prove them wrong. I AM SO TIRED OF THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS.

My view exactly.

[Old_Scratch]

everyone seems to love an anti-Russian bandwagon.

I wasn't aware that bandwagon even existed. If it does, it can't compare to the anti-USA bandwagon. It actually takes a fleet of bandwagons to carry the people on that ride.

[Panzerbear]

I wasn't aware that bandwagon even existed. If it does, it can't compare to the anti-USA bandwagon. It actually takes a fleet of bandwagons to carry the people on that ride.

actually, the most hated people in the world are Americans, Jews and Russians. in no particular order.

[Bovril]

actually, the most hated people in the world are Americans, Jews and Russians. in no particular order.

Don't forget the Arabs!

[Holger Danske]

Don't forget the Arabs!

Hey, I thought we Danes were the most hated?

[YuriVII]

actually, the most hated people in the world are Americans, Jews and Russians. in no particular order.

Kinda sucks to be a Jewish Russian American. Luckily I dont have the Jewish part.

To the original topic, told-you-so. I understand we aren't loved, but I remember my arguments being totally ignored and dismissed as Russian propaganda. Seriously, if we wanted to rebuild our empire, you would have seen our tanks in Tiblisi and Saakashvili put on a show trial.

Praklatie evropeiski i amerikantsi!

[daud.fr]

Kinda sucks to be a Jewish Russian American. Luckily I dont have the Jewish part.

To the original topic, told-you-so. I understand we aren't loved, but I remember my arguments being totally ignored and dismissed as Russian propaganda. Seriously, if we wanted to rebuild our empire, you would have seen our tanks in Tiblisi and Saakashvili put on a show trial.

Praklatie evropeiski i amerikantsi!

Translation:
Damn Europeans and Americans

[christof139]

actually, the most hated people in the world are Americans, Jews and Russians. in no particular order.

You just determined that!??! Welcome to the club.

Georgia screwed-up maybe. Simple thing would be to divide the territory and end the stupidity.

Chris

[Treize]

Ofcourse it is Georgia's fault and maybe even the americans.
This was clear from the beginning.

People just like to blame russia because US says so.
People are tought that the US is so great, and european leaders love the US for some reason.
If you ask someone, USA or russia as your ally, almost everyone will say USA, which is dumb because USA is bankrupt and will drag you in chanceless wars while russia has alot of much needed resources.

[Astaroth]

People just like to blame russia because US says so.

Actually it's usually quite the opposite. I know a hell lot of more anti-US than anti-Russia people. If nothing else works, blame the USA. That's rule #1.

If you ask someone, USA or russia as your ally, almost everyone will say USA, which is dumb because USA is bankrupt and will drag you in chanceless wars while russia has alot of much needed resources.

Hm, it might possibly have something to do with the fact that the USA has the biggest and strongest economy in the world, the strongest army in the world, controls the whole world through military camps (around 100,000 in Japan and South Korea, several tenthousands in Europe, many thousands in the middle east, many in Africa.. need I say more?), has been a close ally of Europe for many decades, has helped rebuild Germany and Europe after WW2 while Russia instead occupied "its" part of Europe, has close cultural and ethnical connections to us, isn't responsible for the death of 25+ millions in WW2 and has a working democracy with (almost) full freedom of speech and a free press?

The US clearly seems to be the better ally, militarily, economically, socially, culturally, politically and historically.

[Von Reichgraf]

Hm, it might possibly have something to do with the fact that the USA has the biggest and strongest economy in the world, the strongest army in the world, controls the whole world through military camps (around 100,000 in Japan and South Korea, several tenthousands in Europe, many thousands in the middle east, many in Africa.. need I say more?)

While i certainly do prefer the states as an ally, i did find the above statements as more the arguemtation of a master then an ally.. why should you be our ally? Because we control the world and have many, many troops in your country! HAHAHAH!

And while america does have the second largest single economy in the world (EU being #1) it is not the strongest, something the last few weeks have shown, but i digress.

While it may seem that America is the world's favourite punching bag, looking at the amounts of whine on the internets, in real international politics (where this actually matters) that is simply not the case.

And on to the topic at hand. I'm fairly confident that, even factoring in Russia's rather harsh and punitive intervention, the death toll of the conflict is much lower than the end result of a few months of Saakashvili reconquista would have been